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Old 06-13-2004, 02:51 AM
Glenn - USAEyes.org
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Default Re: Visual performance during simulated night driving after LASIK

In this instance, I concur. My reference to my opinion on Keller's
hypocrisy regarding Dr. Schallhorn, and your comments to that
reference, do not forward the issue that is relevant to the article
itself.

Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
Council for Refractive Surgery Quality Assurance

Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org

http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org

I am not a doctor.
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Old 06-12-2004, 10:19 PM
Rebecca
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Glenn - USAEyes.org <glenn.hageleSTOPSPAM[at]USAEyes.org> wrote in message news:<1hamc0tnjs8piq18i0ho6qtpsdncr4cvf7[at]4ax.com> ...

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> Not
> everyone is knowledgeable enough to know the facts from the
> fertilizer.
> Glenn Hagele
> Executive Director
> Council for Refractive Surgery Quality Assurance
> Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
> http://www.USAEyes.org
> http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
> I am not a doctor.

If someone posts an article, without commentary, the only relevant
fact (or fertilizer as the case may be) is the merits or demerits of
the article.

By indiscriminately and uniformly posting, for the ten billionth time,
your opinion of Sandy or garbage form the past about her, you actively
discourage rational discussion of the content of the article. That is
my complaint.
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Old 06-12-2004, 05:12 PM
Glenn - USAEyes.org
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> Whatever wordsmithing you may put on it, my view is and will remain
> unchanged. Posts stand on their own merits. I don't care if the man on
> the moon says it or posts it, I'll look at its content.

I don't suggest that someone ignore all posts by a particular
individual, although for some it may come to that. There may actually
be relevant and accurate information in anybody's post, but by knowing
the history of certain individuals who regularly participate here, an
observer would know to consider a post by some people to be suspect,
unreliable, and likely manipulated to forward an anti-LASIK agenda.
Such examples would be subject lines that are not supported by the
body of the post, selective editing of other's quotes, and data that
is outdated. We both know that this is done on a regular basis. Not
everyone is knowledgeable enough to know the facts from the
fertilizer.

Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
Council for Refractive Surgery Quality Assurance

Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org

http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org

I am not a doctor.
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Old 06-12-2004, 03:02 PM
Rebecca
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Glenn - USAEyes.org <glenn.hageleSTOPSPAM[at]USAEyes.org> wrote in message news:<ohmjc0dj27u8u1et5v1ghun8end2trj6bj[at]4ax.com> ...
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> > In my personal opinion, individual posts ought to stand on their own
> > merit. After all, that is precisely how the casual reader will take
> > them.
> It is precisely because the casual reader would not benefit from
> knowledge of past activities that I made my original point. The
> casual reader would not necessarily know about Keller's past
> shenanigans, and may benefit from understanding the legitimacy (or
> lack thereof) of the participant.
> Glenn Hagele
> Executive Director
> Council for Refractive Surgery Quality Assurance
> Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
> http://www.USAEyes.org
> http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
> I am not a doctor.

Whatever wordsmithing you may put on it, my view is and will remain
unchanged. Posts stand on their own merits. I don't care if the man on
the moon says it or posts it, I'll look at its content.
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Old 06-11-2004, 05:20 PM
Glenn - USAEyes.org
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> In my personal opinion, individual posts ought to stand on their own
> merit. After all, that is precisely how the casual reader will take
> them.

It is precisely because the casual reader would not benefit from
knowledge of past activities that I made my original point. The
casual reader would not necessarily know about Keller's past
shenanigans, and may benefit from understanding the legitimacy (or
lack thereof) of the participant.

Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
Council for Refractive Surgery Quality Assurance

Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org

http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org

I am not a doctor.
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Old 06-11-2004, 09:11 AM
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serebel[at]aol.com (serebel) wrote in message news:<6ddf3bb5.0406101645.79dd81b9[at]posting.google.com> ...
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> rebeccaNO_SPAM[at]lasermyeye.org (Rebecca) wrote in message news:<120ffab4.0406091535.1e16b05c[at]posting.google.com> ...
> > Glenn - USAEyes.org <glenn.hageleSTOPSPAM[at]USAEyes.org> wrote in message news:<sgaec0pb8l2df5umk751n16e99v430ki6i[at]4ax.com> ...
> > > Isn't it interesting that when this same doctor published a study with
> > > which Keller did not agree (pupil size and LASIK), Keller vilified him
> > > and claimed everything from poor study protocol to he didn't know what
> > > he was talking about. Now that he provides a study that Keller likes,
> > > she republishes it here. Hypocrisy knows no boundaries.
> > > Glenn,
> > > Excuse me, but it is rather absurd to suggest that agreeing with or
> > having respect for some, but not all, of a person's research,
> > constitutes hypocrisy. There are very few people I know and/or respect
> > who would seriously think a study has, or does not have, merit
> > exclusively on the basis of who wrote it. No medical professional
> > could justify such a position. And medical professionals have no
> > monopoly on the right to exercise critical judgment of others work,
> > last I checked.
> > > Schallhorn's work is highly relevant to the discussion of refractive
> > surgery safety because it (and he, for that matter) is being widely
> > used by defense attorneys.
> > > Rebecca Petris
> > www.lasermyeye.org
> Rebecca, under normal circumstances your post would be right on the
> money and Glenn probably wouldn't have said what he did, but when
> Sandyspam is involved, he is absolutely correct.
> SErebel

In my personal opinion, individual posts ought to stand on their own
merit. After all, that is precisely how the casual reader will take
them.

Rebecca
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Old 06-11-2004, 01:45 AM
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rebeccaNO_SPAM[at]lasermyeye.org (Rebecca) wrote in message news:<120ffab4.0406091535.1e16b05c[at]posting.google.com> ...
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> Glenn - USAEyes.org <glenn.hageleSTOPSPAM[at]USAEyes.org> wrote in message news:<sgaec0pb8l2df5umk751n16e99v430ki6i[at]4ax.com> ...
> > Isn't it interesting that when this same doctor published a study with
> > which Keller did not agree (pupil size and LASIK), Keller vilified him
> > and claimed everything from poor study protocol to he didn't know what
> > he was talking about. Now that he provides a study that Keller likes,
> > she republishes it here. Hypocrisy knows no boundaries.
> Glenn,
> Excuse me, but it is rather absurd to suggest that agreeing with or
> having respect for some, but not all, of a person's research,
> constitutes hypocrisy. There are very few people I know and/or respect
> who would seriously think a study has, or does not have, merit
> exclusively on the basis of who wrote it. No medical professional
> could justify such a position. And medical professionals have no
> monopoly on the right to exercise critical judgment of others work,
> last I checked.
> Schallhorn's work is highly relevant to the discussion of refractive
> surgery safety because it (and he, for that matter) is being widely
> used by defense attorneys.
> Rebecca Petris
> www.lasermyeye.org

Rebecca, under normal circumstances your post would be right on the
money and Glenn probably wouldn't have said what he did, but when
Sandyspam is involved, he is absolutely correct.


SErebel
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Old 06-10-2004, 09:42 PM
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ccastaccount[at]comcast.net (wavefront information) wrote in message news:<703973fa.0406091627.5788e04e[at]posting.google.com> ...
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> A doc told me recently there was a pupil study with a large n
> presented at a conference, but didn't name the author. Anyone heard
> of one with a large n?

Steve Schallhorn presented early results of a study in May at the BSRS
conference, and presumably presented them elsewhere. I forget now
whether there were 480 eyes or 480 patients. From recollection I
believe the average pupil size was 6mm and the average prescription
was -3.26D in the study sample.

Rebecca Petris
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Old 06-10-2004, 06:23 PM
Glenn - USAEyes.org
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Default Re: Visual performance during simulated night driving after LASIK

The issue of what Schallhorn's study does and does not say has been
debated ad nauseum. The issue of what Dr. Maloney did and did not
mean has been debated ad nausem. I have no intention of participating
with another attempt by Keller to make more noise about her conspiracy
theories or what accusations she has made about doctors who were
foolish enough to attempt to provide her care in the past.

Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
Council for Refractive Surgery Quality Assurance

Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org

http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org

I am not a doctor.
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Old 06-10-2004, 04:00 PM
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Default Re: Visual performance during simulated night driving after LASIK

Regardless of what said, this is not inconsistent. The loss of night
vision has plagued LASIK since its introduction. Many prefer to sweep
it under the rug as they do chronic dry eye and ectasia. I suspect
that this is the reason the Navy prefers PRK over LASIK for pilots.
Those on the ground can use night vision
goggles to offset their loss. WK

Glenn - USAEyes.org <glenn.hageleSTOPSPAM[at]USAEyes.org> wrote in message news:<sgaec0pb8l2df5umk751n16e99v430ki6i[at]4ax.com> ...
- quote -

> Isn't it interesting that when this same doctor published a study with
> which Keller did not agree (pupil size and LASIK), Keller vilified him
> and claimed everything from poor study protocol to he didn't know what
> he was talking about. Now that he provides a study that Keller likes,
> she republishes it here. Hypocrisy knows no boundaries.
> Glenn Hagele
> Executive Director
> Council for Refractive Surgery Quality Assurance
> Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
> http://www.USAEyes.org
> http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
> I am not a doctor.
 

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