> That's true.. but I think it bears repeating that the woman's problems
> were the result of being kicked directly in the eye very soon after
> surgery. To blame LASIK for her mishap is absurd. People do strange
> things with infants though. Just look at Jacko and Steveo.

> Ragnar Suomi <ragnarsuomi[at]yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:jdisvv4lcbo05bfrs1pjiu7i1kh918251b[at]4ax.com:
> > I'm glad you filled in some of the puzzle pieces of that story.
> > Instead of people blaming LASIK for her misfortune, they should blame
> > the fact that she got kicked in her eye! That must have been quite a
> > whallop to dislodge the flap. In fact, unless some doctor here can
> > verify that story, I wouldn't even believe it. Dislodging a flap is
> > no easy task. How long after surgery did her flap dislodge? If the
> > story is true, she should have been more careful. How long is an
> > infant's leg? 8 inches? What was her face doing so close to the
> > infant? I would assume she was playing with the kid. That story just
> > has the smell of SE fiction on it.
> > If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times: There are just some
> people who are not candidates for refractive surgery.
> DrG

> I'm glad you filled in some of the puzzle pieces of that story.
> Instead of people blaming LASIK for her misfortune, they should blame
> the fact that she got kicked in her eye! That must have been quite a
> whallop to dislodge the flap. In fact, unless some doctor here can
> verify that story, I wouldn't even believe it. Dislodging a flap is
> no easy task. How long after surgery did her flap dislodge? If the
> story is true, she should have been more careful. How long is an
> infant's leg? 8 inches? What was her face doing so close to the
> infant? I would assume she was playing with the kid. That story just
> has the smell of SE fiction on it.

> I'm glad you filled in some of the puzzle pieces of that story.
> Instead of people blaming LASIK for her misfortune, they should blame
> the fact that she got kicked in her eye! That must have been quite a
> whallop to dislodge the flap. In fact, unless some doctor here can
> verify that story, I wouldn't even believe it. Dislodging a flap is
> no easy task. How long after surgery did her flap dislodge? If the
> story is true, she should have been more careful. How long is an
> infant's leg? 8 inches? What was her face doing so close to the
> infant? I would assume she was playing with the kid. That story just
> has the smell of SE fiction on it.

> Ragnar Suomi <ragnarsuomi[at]yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:gthqvvoo1ofhu1cvr4vvknjl01c46flaek[at]4ax.com:
> > On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 02:45:44 GMT, "Dr. Leukoma"
> > <drgNOSPAM[at]leukoma.com> wrote:
> > > f
> > > > > > > > I concur that binocular vision problems can be exceedingly complex.
> > > Constant diplopia has another term: "horror fusionis" to describe how
> > > terrible an experience it can be when the two images cannot merge.
> > > > > DrG
> > > Assuming the worst case... wouldn't an eye patch over the worse eye be
> > the best solution?
> > I remember the case that Frank alludes to quite well. That woman
> definitely had a lazy eye as well as esotropia, i.e the eye turned in. Her
> infant kicked her in the good eye and dislodged the flap, although there
> was possibly more to the story. This ruined the vision in the good eye,
> making it see worse than the amblyopic eye. After a lifetime of suppressed
> vision in that eye, she then developed constant diplopia. Of course
> patching would have alleviated the double vision, but somehow that didn't
> work out.
> While that is certainly a worse case scenario, I have seen several less
> severe situations where fusion was altered, especially in a reading
> situation.
> DrG
I'm glad you filled in some of the puzzle pieces of that story.

> On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 02:45:44 GMT, "Dr. Leukoma"
> <drgNOSPAM[at]leukoma.com> wrote:
> f
> > > > > I concur that binocular vision problems can be exceedingly complex.
> > Constant diplopia has another term: "horror fusionis" to describe how
> > terrible an experience it can be when the two images cannot merge.
> > > DrG
> Assuming the worst case... wouldn't an eye patch over the worse eye be
> the best solution?

> > I concur that binocular vision problems can be exceedingly complex.
> Constant diplopia has another term: "horror fusionis" to describe how
> terrible an experience it can be when the two images cannot merge.
> DrG

> "Jim" <jim_NOSPAM[at]ditdah.net> wrote in message
> news:<SMIKb.46182$HQ.39148[at]okepread02> ...
> > DrG,
> > Yes my eye is correctly to 20/20 with glasses. The ONLY time my
> > eye turns
> > out is when I'm tired or have spent too much time awake or in front
> > of the computer.
> > > Jim
> > > Tomorrow is the day!
> > > > "Dr. Leukoma" <drgNOSPAM[at]leukoma.com> wrote in message
> > news:Xns94684B16AB583drgleukomacom[at]204.127.199.17...
> > > "Jim" <jim_NOSPAM[at]ditdah.net> wrote in
> > > news:6RxKb.44964$HQ.34075[at]okepread02:
> > > > > > All,
> > > > When I described my 'lazy eye', I guess I didn't understand
> > > > what an
> > > > actual 'lazy eye' is called in the medical world. I was just
> > > > repeating what I had been told throughout my life.
> > > > > > > When I get tired my right eye turns out. When I notice this,
> > > > I can pull
> > > > it back. When I have my glasses off my eye does not
> > > > turn out and I am not 20/20 in the eye. Both eyes are approx
> > > > -6.00 with a mild astigmatism. I have spoken to the doctor who is
> > > > doing my surgery tomorrow. He told me that he has turned down
> > > > patients in the past who have a 'lazy eye' and he deemed
> > > > the surgery would do more harm than good. When the doctor
> > > > performed my pre-op, he knew of my condition but does
> > > > not feel the surgery will have any impact on my 'lazy eye'
> > > > condition.
> > > > > > > > Jim.
> > > > > If your eye is not correctable to 20/20 with glasses, then it
> > > probably IS
> > a
> > > lazy eye. The turning out part is called strabismus. The two
> > > conditions are often found together, which is why the terms are
> > > often confused.
> > > > > The thing is that if everything always went perfectly and without a
> > > hitch in refractive surgery, there would be no worries. Most
> > > people can readily tolerate some imperfections in their vision, as
> > > the visual system is quite adaptable. However, there are some
> > > people whose system is constantly
> > under
> > > stress, like yours, where even a small change in the wrong
> > > direction can cause it to unravel. Your ability to pull your eye
> > > in and keep it there breaks down when you are tired. If the
> > > prescription were to be "off" to some degree, this would also
> > > interfere with your ability to hold the eyes together.
> > > > > Now, the final thing is that you have one dominant eye that sees
> > > well. Consider for a moment what might happen if that eye lost its
> > > ability to
> > see
> > > clearly. You don't have the luxury of a fully functioning second
> > > eye to take up the slack. Just as an experiment, try fogging the
> > > vision in your good eye by smearing a thin coat of vaseline over
> > > the lens...just enough
> > to
> > > make things out-of-focus. Then, see how you function.
> > > > > Just my two cents.
> > > > > DrG
> Hi Jim:
> I promised myself I wouldn't post on the alt.lasik NG anymore, but I
> saw yours and I was very concerned.
> Please take the time to review the series of threads concerning a
> poster named "mermaid" on the surgical eyes website. just do a search
> function using the keyword "mermaid," and then read them. This young
> woman had strabismus and LASIK, and was driven to the point of
> considering enucleation and suicide as solutions. In the least, it
> ruined her career as a medical professional and almost caused loss of
> her family. As mentioned by other posters, LASIK may initiate a
> cascade of events which seriously and adversely affect your visual
> functioning for the rest of your life.
> Good luck in whatever you decide.
> Frank

> DrG,
> Yes my eye is correctly to 20/20 with glasses. The ONLY time my eye turns
> out is when I'm tired or have spent too much time awake or in front of the
> computer.
> Jim
> Tomorrow is the day!
> "Dr. Leukoma" <drgNOSPAM[at]leukoma.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns94684B16AB583drgleukomacom[at]204.127.199.17...
> > "Jim" <jim_NOSPAM[at]ditdah.net> wrote in
> > news:6RxKb.44964$HQ.34075[at]okepread02:
> > > > All,
> > > When I described my 'lazy eye', I guess I didn't understand what
> > > an
> > > actual 'lazy eye' is called in the medical world. I was just
> > > repeating what I had been told throughout my life.
> > > > > When I get tired my right eye turns out. When I notice this, I
> > > can pull
> > > it back. When I have my glasses off my eye does not
> > > turn out and I am not 20/20 in the eye. Both eyes are approx -6.00
> > > with a mild astigmatism. I have spoken to the doctor who is
> > > doing my surgery tomorrow. He told me that he has turned down patients
> > > in the past who have a 'lazy eye' and he deemed
> > > the surgery would do more harm than good. When the doctor performed my
> > > pre-op, he knew of my condition but does
> > > not feel the surgery will have any impact on my 'lazy eye' condition.
> > > > > Jim.
> > > If your eye is not correctable to 20/20 with glasses, then it probably IS
> a
> > lazy eye. The turning out part is called strabismus. The two conditions
> > are often found together, which is why the terms are often confused.
> > > The thing is that if everything always went perfectly and without a hitch
> > in refractive surgery, there would be no worries. Most people can readily
> > tolerate some imperfections in their vision, as the visual system is quite
> > adaptable. However, there are some people whose system is constantly
> under
> > stress, like yours, where even a small change in the wrong direction can
> > cause it to unravel. Your ability to pull your eye in and keep it there
> > breaks down when you are tired. If the prescription were to be "off" to
> > some degree, this would also interfere with your ability to hold the eyes
> > together.
> > > Now, the final thing is that you have one dominant eye that sees well.
> > Consider for a moment what might happen if that eye lost its ability to
> see
> > clearly. You don't have the luxury of a fully functioning second eye to
> > take up the slack. Just as an experiment, try fogging the vision in your
> > good eye by smearing a thin coat of vaseline over the lens...just enough
> to
> > make things out-of-focus. Then, see how you function.
> > > Just my two cents.
> > > DrG

> DrG,
> Yes my eye is correctly to 20/20 with glasses. The ONLY time my eye turns
> out is when I'm tired or have spent too much time awake or in front of the
> computer.
> Jim
> Tomorrow is the day!
> "Dr. Leukoma" <drgNOSPAM[at]leukoma.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns94684B16AB583drgleukomacom[at]204.127.199.17...
> > "Jim" <jim_NOSPAM[at]ditdah.net> wrote in
> > news:6RxKb.44964$HQ.34075[at]okepread02:
> > > > All,
> > > When I described my 'lazy eye', I guess I didn't understand what
> > > an
> > > actual 'lazy eye' is called in the medical world. I was just
> > > repeating what I had been told throughout my life.
> > > > > When I get tired my right eye turns out. When I notice this, I
> > > can pull
> > > it back. When I have my glasses off my eye does not
> > > turn out and I am not 20/20 in the eye. Both eyes are approx -6.00
> > > with a mild astigmatism. I have spoken to the doctor who is
> > > doing my surgery tomorrow. He told me that he has turned down patients
> > > in the past who have a 'lazy eye' and he deemed
> > > the surgery would do more harm than good. When the doctor performed my
> > > pre-op, he knew of my condition but does
> > > not feel the surgery will have any impact on my 'lazy eye' condition.
> > > > > Jim.
> > > If your eye is not correctable to 20/20 with glasses, then it probably IS
> a
> > lazy eye. The turning out part is called strabismus. The two conditions
> > are often found together, which is why the terms are often confused.
> > > The thing is that if everything always went perfectly and without a hitch
> > in refractive surgery, there would be no worries. Most people can readily
> > tolerate some imperfections in their vision, as the visual system is quite
> > adaptable. However, there are some people whose system is constantly
> under
> > stress, like yours, where even a small change in the wrong direction can
> > cause it to unravel. Your ability to pull your eye in and keep it there
> > breaks down when you are tired. If the prescription were to be "off" to
> > some degree, this would also interfere with your ability to hold the eyes
> > together.
> > > Now, the final thing is that you have one dominant eye that sees well.
> > Consider for a moment what might happen if that eye lost its ability to
> see
> > clearly. You don't have the luxury of a fully functioning second eye to
> > take up the slack. Just as an experiment, try fogging the vision in your
> > good eye by smearing a thin coat of vaseline over the lens...just enough
> to
> > make things out-of-focus. Then, see how you function.
> > > Just my two cents.
> > > DrG