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Old 11-25-2005, 06:15 PM
Mike Tyner
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<otisbrown[at]pa.net> wrote

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> As Judy and Retinula pointed out -- they are legally
> constrained from even discussion true-prevention
> with the plus -- for fear of the OD Boards.

So why haven't you shown them they're wrong? Convincing us won't do much
good. Convince the FDA and the FTC and we'll all recommend your treatment.

- quote -

> You specificy the "real world". For
> you that means EXCLUSIVELY only
> your office.

Not to mention twenty thousand more just like it.

- quote -

> That is not science. That is your own
> opinion.

My opinion doesn't matter much. It's all those authors who conducted
scientific studies that disagree with you. You know, the ones you didn't
read...

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> Since you can't legally help
> with prevention -- the person must teach himself
> how to do it under his own control -- as
> Dr. Stirling Colgate did.

When Dr. Colgate was 14, he learned to relax his accommodative spasm. I've
found several more who could do that. I haven't seen any effective treatment
for real myopia.

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> That is the scientific world -- not the medial world.

So where has Dr. Colgate published his efficacy data? Tell me so we can
point it out to the FDA.

-MT


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Old 11-25-2005, 04:11 PM
Neil Brooks
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"otisbrown[at]pa.net" <otisbrown[at]pa.net> wrote:

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> That is not science. That is your own
> opinion.

He's got you there, Mike.

Nobody knows more about NON-science (nonsense?) than Otis....
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  #32  
Old 11-25-2005, 03:24 PM
otisbrown@pa.net
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Dear Mike,

As Judy and Retinula pointed out -- they are legally
constrained from even discussion true-prevention
with the plus -- for fear of the OD Boards.

You specificy the "real world". For
you that means EXCLUSIVELY only
your office.

That is not science. That is your own
opinion.

Science provens that the natural eye "adapts"
its refractive state to its visual enviroment -- as
a natural process. Since you can't legally help
with prevention -- the person must teach himself
how to do it under his own control -- as
Dr. Stirling Colgate did.

That is the scientific world -- not the medial world.

There is a profound difference in preception and
understanding about the naturel eye's proven behavior,
and how you use this knowledge to your best
personal advantage.

Best,

Otis




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> Dr. Stirling Colgate is an international well-known physicist. Other
> than send him a courtesy reply, nothing was ever done about his
> request by the NIM. Perhaps, it is the responsibility of every parent
> instead of the nation.


It's Dr. Colgate's responsibility to demonstrate the efficacy of his
therapy, with real patients and real-life trials.

Any word on when that might happen?


-MT

  #31  
Old 11-24-2005, 10:34 PM
Dr. Leukoma
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otisbrown[at]pa.net wrote:
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> Dear Dicky,
> Subject: Pay attention to the Oakley-Young study and the primate data
> concerning the natural eye's proven behavior.
> Re: Pay attention to the LEGAL reasons why an OD can
> never help anyone with true prevention -- and why
> the person must basically "do it himself" -- on
> a scientific, not medical level.
> Neil Brooks contacted my nephew, and proceeded to
> "bad mouth" me, and Keith's use of the plus
> for true-prevention. (I guess Neil will
> deny this also -- probably a senior moment on
> Neil's part.)
> Keith has great resolve on this issue -- no doub about
> it. He did not as anyone to do this for him. He
> decided his distant vision was "worth it" and
> worked the issue himself -- since
> he knew that the OD could not help him.
> (legal reasons -- again.)
> Here is his discussion -- for your interest.
> This is why plus-prevention is, or will become
> the "second opinion".
> I am certain we will get the usual "nasty" comments from
> the "majority opinion" group.
> Dear second-opinion friends,
> Subject: Keith's vision from a 13 years old to age 40. Now 20/15!
> From detailed discussions with Dr. J. Raphaelson it became
> clear to me that the person himself would have to make AGRESSIVE
> use of the plus BEFORE he began to wear the minus lens -- or
> suffer serious consequences.
> I knew from the bi-focals (plus) studies that when the
> single-minus is placed on the natural eye -- its refractive status
> moves steadily downward at a rate of -1/2 diopter per year --
> average.
> Strong use of the plus STOPPED this movement. For this
> reason I advocated the strong use of the plus by the person who
> wishes to keep his vision at a level that ALWAYS passes all legal
> visual requirements -- by his own checking.
> Keith started this process when he was 13 years old. He
> would periodically notice that his distant vision was getting
> "blurry" in college. Taking responsibility himself, he simply
> "re-started" the intensive use of the plus until he exceeded the
> legal requirement for driving a care, i.e., reading 1.8 cm letters
> at 6 meters.
> Keith understood the "trade-off", involved. Use the plus
> before you fail the DMV, and you will never REQUIRE a minus lens.
> While on vacation with Keith recently, I noticed he still used the
> plus to read the newspaper and other work of this nature. I had
> no idea what his eye-chart was -- and mostly Keith did not check.
> Here is his statement of his current eye-chart check.
> ______________________
> Dear Keith,
> As you know, I take PERSONAL responsibility for the "dumb"
> things I did with my eyes as a young child. Like that "bad
> habit", of leaning forward and reading at 4 inches (-10 diopters)
> for long periods of time. The ODs and MDs love to tell us there
> is no relationship between refractive state -- and environment.
> They are totally, and scientifically wrong on this issue --
> and very biased about it.
> However the general public will NOT ACCEPT advocacy for
> prevention, and so the medical-myth must grind on -- and grind-up
> a massive proportion of young children's eyes. It is tragic that
> these ODs will not VOLUNTEER information about the natural eye's
> behavior as a matter of professional course and responsibility. I
> have long ago given up attempting to deal with that issue.
> It is only important that you have done this work correctly,
> and therefore successfully. Problems like this are "solved" at
> the family level -- not by large institutions.
> I tell you this so you may protect your own children. It is
> difficult for a parent to "enforce" something like this on their
> own children -- but I think they will "get the idea" in time.
> Eventually the child himself must get the idea if he is to
> retain clear distant vision through college.
> .
> Otis
> _____________________________________
> Dear Uncle,
> I've been a bit more diligent in the last couple of months
> using the plus and I've noticed an improvement in my distance
> vision.
> The point of telling you something you already know? Haley
> went for her 4-year-old check up at the MD and they checked her
> hearing and vision so I checked my vision too, on a 10 foot chart.
> Low and behold, my left eye was able to read the 20/15 line and my
> right eye, although not necessarily clear, was able to read the
> 20/20 line!
> Both together made the 20/15 line of course. As you know I
> don't check regularly so it was surprising that I'm back to that
> good.
> A nice surprise.
> Keith


Indeed, need I say more? Happy Thanksgiving, Otis.

DrG

  #30  
Old 11-24-2005, 08:31 PM
Robert Kopp
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Mike Tyner wrote:

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> <otisbrown[at]pa.net> wrote
> > You are not involved in these
> > discusions.
> Then, like your other diatribes, this one belongs somewhere besides
> sci.med.vision.
Otis' comments are getting ad hominem. The issue concerning to whom Neil
Brooks sent mail is not a scientific issue. One's motives for making an
assertion are irrelevant as to whether or not it is true.
--
Robert Kopp
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  #29  
Old 11-24-2005, 06:29 PM
Dick Adams
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"Dr. Leukoma" <drg[at]leukoma.com> wants to know, from me:

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> ... some of the participants cannot or will not get beyond the limitations of
> their own knowledge and understanding. Would this description fit you,
> by any chance?

No!

- quote -

> I mean no disrespect.

I do not find you disrespectful. You are just not very observant.

--
Dicky


  #28  
Old 11-24-2005, 06:20 PM
Dick Adams
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I am more and more persuaded that "Otis" is a tool fabricated
by the evil-doers who wish to make us progressively nearsighted
with progressively negative lenses, lining their evil pockets in the
process.

Yes, "Otis" is the ultimate argument to absurdity, not to mention
ad hominum. Certainly if "Otis" mentioned it, or seemed to, in his
garbled lexicon, it has got to be crazy.

"Otis" frequently mentions "The Plus". You know what that is.
It's the "+". That one is frequently used by you doctor folks in
transcribing optical prescriptions. Is it not clear to you that the
"+" is another Otisism??? "Otis" prevades everything. It is time to junk
the system. The kids in grade school, studying arithmetic, should
know about this. Their sums and differences are all suspect.

And it does not end there ...

--
Dicky
  #27  
Old 11-24-2005, 05:18 PM
Neil Brooks
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"otisbrown[at]pa.net" <otisbrown[at]pa.net> wrote:

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> Keith has great resolve on this issue -- no doub about
> it. He did not as anyone to do this for him. He
> decided his distant vision was "worth it" and
> worked the issue himself -- since
> he knew that the OD could not help him.
> (legal reasons -- again.)

"Otis's posts tend to fall into the category of anecdotal (or made
up):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence "

Of this, there is no doub.

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  #26  
Old 11-24-2005, 05:03 PM
otisbrown@pa.net
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Dear Dicky,

Subject: Pay attention to the Oakley-Young study and the primate data
concerning the natural eye's proven behavior.

Re: Pay attention to the LEGAL reasons why an OD can
never help anyone with true prevention -- and why
the person must basically "do it himself" -- on
a scientific, not medical level.

Neil Brooks contacted my nephew, and proceeded to
"bad mouth" me, and Keith's use of the plus
for true-prevention. (I guess Neil will
deny this also -- probably a senior moment on
Neil's part.)

Keith has great resolve on this issue -- no doub about
it. He did not as anyone to do this for him. He
decided his distant vision was "worth it" and
worked the issue himself -- since
he knew that the OD could not help him.
(legal reasons -- again.)

Here is his discussion -- for your interest.
This is why plus-prevention is, or will become
the "second opinion".

I am certain we will get the usual "nasty" comments from
the "majority opinion" group.




Dear second-opinion friends,

Subject: Keith's vision from a 13 years old to age 40. Now 20/15!


From detailed discussions with Dr. J. Raphaelson it became
clear to me that the person himself would have to make AGRESSIVE
use of the plus BEFORE he began to wear the minus lens -- or
suffer serious consequences.

I knew from the bi-focals (plus) studies that when the
single-minus is placed on the natural eye -- its refractive status
moves steadily downward at a rate of -1/2 diopter per year --
average.

Strong use of the plus STOPPED this movement. For this
reason I advocated the strong use of the plus by the person who
wishes to keep his vision at a level that ALWAYS passes all legal
visual requirements -- by his own checking.

Keith started this process when he was 13 years old. He
would periodically notice that his distant vision was getting
"blurry" in college. Taking responsibility himself, he simply
"re-started" the intensive use of the plus until he exceeded the
legal requirement for driving a care, i.e., reading 1.8 cm letters
at 6 meters.

Keith understood the "trade-off", involved. Use the plus
before you fail the DMV, and you will never REQUIRE a minus lens.
While on vacation with Keith recently, I noticed he still used the
plus to read the newspaper and other work of this nature. I had
no idea what his eye-chart was -- and mostly Keith did not check.

Here is his statement of his current eye-chart check.

______________________

Dear Keith,

As you know, I take PERSONAL responsibility for the "dumb"
things I did with my eyes as a young child. Like that "bad
habit", of leaning forward and reading at 4 inches (-10 diopters)
for long periods of time. The ODs and MDs love to tell us there
is no relationship between refractive state -- and environment.

They are totally, and scientifically wrong on this issue --
and very biased about it.

However the general public will NOT ACCEPT advocacy for
prevention, and so the medical-myth must grind on -- and grind-up
a massive proportion of young children's eyes. It is tragic that
these ODs will not VOLUNTEER information about the natural eye's
behavior as a matter of professional course and responsibility. I
have long ago given up attempting to deal with that issue.

It is only important that you have done this work correctly,
and therefore successfully. Problems like this are "solved" at
the family level -- not by large institutions.

I tell you this so you may protect your own children. It is
difficult for a parent to "enforce" something like this on their
own children -- but I think they will "get the idea" in time.
Eventually the child himself must get the idea if he is to
retain clear distant vision through college.
..

Otis

_____________________________________


Dear Uncle,


I've been a bit more diligent in the last couple of months
using the plus and I've noticed an improvement in my distance
vision.

The point of telling you something you already know? Haley
went for her 4-year-old check up at the MD and they checked her
hearing and vision so I checked my vision too, on a 10 foot chart.
Low and behold, my left eye was able to read the 20/15 line and my
right eye, although not necessarily clear, was able to read the
20/20 line!

Both together made the 20/15 line of course. As you know I
don't check regularly so it was surprising that I'm back to that
good.

A nice surprise.

Keith

  #25  
Old 11-24-2005, 04:56 PM
Neil Brooks
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"otisbrown[at]pa.net" <otisbrown[at]pa.net> wrote:

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> Otis> The word "credility" has significance. With whom?

Certainly not with me. I can't even find it in the dictionary. YMMV.
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