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| <otisbrown[at]pa.net> wrote - quote - > As Judy and Retinula pointed out -- they are legally
So why haven't you shown them they're wrong? Convincing us won't do much> constrained from even discussion true-prevention > with the plus -- for fear of the OD Boards. good. Convince the FDA and the FTC and we'll all recommend your treatment. - quote - > You specificy the "real world". For
Not to mention twenty thousand more just like it.> you that means EXCLUSIVELY only > your office. - quote - > That is not science. That is your own
My opinion doesn't matter much. It's all those authors who conducted> opinion. scientific studies that disagree with you. You know, the ones you didn't read... - quote - > Since you can't legally help
When Dr. Colgate was 14, he learned to relax his accommodative spasm. I've> with prevention -- the person must teach himself > how to do it under his own control -- as > Dr. Stirling Colgate did. found several more who could do that. I haven't seen any effective treatment for real myopia. - quote - > That is the scientific world -- not the medial world.
So where has Dr. Colgate published his efficacy data? Tell me so we canpoint it out to the FDA. -MT |
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| "otisbrown[at]pa.net" <otisbrown[at]pa.net> wrote: - quote - > That is not science. That is your own
He's got you there, Mike.> opinion. Nobody knows more about NON-science (nonsense?) than Otis.... -- Live simply so that others may simply live |
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| Dear Mike, As Judy and Retinula pointed out -- they are legally constrained from even discussion true-prevention with the plus -- for fear of the OD Boards. You specificy the "real world". For you that means EXCLUSIVELY only your office. That is not science. That is your own opinion. Science provens that the natural eye "adapts" its refractive state to its visual enviroment -- as a natural process. Since you can't legally help with prevention -- the person must teach himself how to do it under his own control -- as Dr. Stirling Colgate did. That is the scientific world -- not the medial world. There is a profound difference in preception and understanding about the naturel eye's proven behavior, and how you use this knowledge to your best personal advantage. Best, Otis - quote - > Dr. Stirling Colgate is an international well-known physicist. Other > than send him a courtesy reply, nothing was ever done about his > request by the NIM. Perhaps, it is the responsibility of every parent > instead of the nation. It's Dr. Colgate's responsibility to demonstrate the efficacy of his therapy, with real patients and real-life trials. Any word on when that might happen? -MT |
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| otisbrown[at]pa.net wrote: - quote - > Dear Dicky, > Subject: Pay attention to the Oakley-Young study and the primate data > concerning the natural eye's proven behavior. > Re: Pay attention to the LEGAL reasons why an OD can > never help anyone with true prevention -- and why > the person must basically "do it himself" -- on > a scientific, not medical level. > Neil Brooks contacted my nephew, and proceeded to > "bad mouth" me, and Keith's use of the plus > for true-prevention. (I guess Neil will > deny this also -- probably a senior moment on > Neil's part.) > Keith has great resolve on this issue -- no doub about > it. He did not as anyone to do this for him. He > decided his distant vision was "worth it" and > worked the issue himself -- since > he knew that the OD could not help him. > (legal reasons -- again.) > Here is his discussion -- for your interest. > This is why plus-prevention is, or will become > the "second opinion". > I am certain we will get the usual "nasty" comments from > the "majority opinion" group. > Dear second-opinion friends, > Subject: Keith's vision from a 13 years old to age 40. Now 20/15! > From detailed discussions with Dr. J. Raphaelson it became > clear to me that the person himself would have to make AGRESSIVE > use of the plus BEFORE he began to wear the minus lens -- or > suffer serious consequences. > I knew from the bi-focals (plus) studies that when the > single-minus is placed on the natural eye -- its refractive status > moves steadily downward at a rate of -1/2 diopter per year -- > average. > Strong use of the plus STOPPED this movement. For this > reason I advocated the strong use of the plus by the person who > wishes to keep his vision at a level that ALWAYS passes all legal > visual requirements -- by his own checking. > Keith started this process when he was 13 years old. He > would periodically notice that his distant vision was getting > "blurry" in college. Taking responsibility himself, he simply > "re-started" the intensive use of the plus until he exceeded the > legal requirement for driving a care, i.e., reading 1.8 cm letters > at 6 meters. > Keith understood the "trade-off", involved. Use the plus > before you fail the DMV, and you will never REQUIRE a minus lens. > While on vacation with Keith recently, I noticed he still used the > plus to read the newspaper and other work of this nature. I had > no idea what his eye-chart was -- and mostly Keith did not check. > Here is his statement of his current eye-chart check. > ______________________ > Dear Keith, > As you know, I take PERSONAL responsibility for the "dumb" > things I did with my eyes as a young child. Like that "bad > habit", of leaning forward and reading at 4 inches (-10 diopters) > for long periods of time. The ODs and MDs love to tell us there > is no relationship between refractive state -- and environment. > They are totally, and scientifically wrong on this issue -- > and very biased about it. > However the general public will NOT ACCEPT advocacy for > prevention, and so the medical-myth must grind on -- and grind-up > a massive proportion of young children's eyes. It is tragic that > these ODs will not VOLUNTEER information about the natural eye's > behavior as a matter of professional course and responsibility. I > have long ago given up attempting to deal with that issue. > It is only important that you have done this work correctly, > and therefore successfully. Problems like this are "solved" at > the family level -- not by large institutions. > I tell you this so you may protect your own children. It is > difficult for a parent to "enforce" something like this on their > own children -- but I think they will "get the idea" in time. > Eventually the child himself must get the idea if he is to > retain clear distant vision through college. > . > Otis > _____________________________________ > Dear Uncle, > I've been a bit more diligent in the last couple of months > using the plus and I've noticed an improvement in my distance > vision. > The point of telling you something you already know? Haley > went for her 4-year-old check up at the MD and they checked her > hearing and vision so I checked my vision too, on a 10 foot chart. > Low and behold, my left eye was able to read the 20/15 line and my > right eye, although not necessarily clear, was able to read the > 20/20 line! > Both together made the 20/15 line of course. As you know I > don't check regularly so it was surprising that I'm back to that > good. > A nice surprise. > Keith Indeed, need I say more? Happy Thanksgiving, Otis. DrG |
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| Mike Tyner wrote: - quote - > <otisbrown[at]pa.net> wrote
Brooks sent mail is not a scientific issue. One's motives for making an> > You are not involved in these > > discusions. > Then, like your other diatribes, this one belongs somewhere besides > sci.med.vision. Otis' comments are getting ad hominem. The issue concerning to whom Neil assertion are irrelevant as to whether or not it is true. -- Robert Kopp http://analytic.tripod.com |
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| "Dr. Leukoma" <drg[at]leukoma.com> wants to know, from me: - quote - > ... some of the participants cannot or will not get beyond the limitations of
No!> their own knowledge and understanding. Would this description fit you, > by any chance? - quote - > I mean no disrespect.
I do not find you disrespectful. You are just not very observant.-- Dicky |
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| I am more and more persuaded that "Otis" is a tool fabricated by the evil-doers who wish to make us progressively nearsighted with progressively negative lenses, lining their evil pockets in the process. Yes, "Otis" is the ultimate argument to absurdity, not to mention ad hominum. Certainly if "Otis" mentioned it, or seemed to, in his garbled lexicon, it has got to be crazy. "Otis" frequently mentions "The Plus". You know what that is. It's the "+". That one is frequently used by you doctor folks in transcribing optical prescriptions. Is it not clear to you that the "+" is another Otisism??? "Otis" prevades everything. It is time to junk the system. The kids in grade school, studying arithmetic, should know about this. Their sums and differences are all suspect. And it does not end there ... -- Dicky |
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| "otisbrown[at]pa.net" <otisbrown[at]pa.net> wrote: - quote - > Keith has great resolve on this issue -- no doub about
"Otis's posts tend to fall into the category of anecdotal (or made> it. He did not as anyone to do this for him. He > decided his distant vision was "worth it" and > worked the issue himself -- since > he knew that the OD could not help him. > (legal reasons -- again.) up): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence " Of this, there is no doub. -- Live simply so that others may simply live |
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| Dear Dicky, Subject: Pay attention to the Oakley-Young study and the primate data concerning the natural eye's proven behavior. Re: Pay attention to the LEGAL reasons why an OD can never help anyone with true prevention -- and why the person must basically "do it himself" -- on a scientific, not medical level. Neil Brooks contacted my nephew, and proceeded to "bad mouth" me, and Keith's use of the plus for true-prevention. (I guess Neil will deny this also -- probably a senior moment on Neil's part.) Keith has great resolve on this issue -- no doub about it. He did not as anyone to do this for him. He decided his distant vision was "worth it" and worked the issue himself -- since he knew that the OD could not help him. (legal reasons -- again.) Here is his discussion -- for your interest. This is why plus-prevention is, or will become the "second opinion". I am certain we will get the usual "nasty" comments from the "majority opinion" group. Dear second-opinion friends, Subject: Keith's vision from a 13 years old to age 40. Now 20/15! From detailed discussions with Dr. J. Raphaelson it became clear to me that the person himself would have to make AGRESSIVE use of the plus BEFORE he began to wear the minus lens -- or suffer serious consequences. I knew from the bi-focals (plus) studies that when the single-minus is placed on the natural eye -- its refractive status moves steadily downward at a rate of -1/2 diopter per year -- average. Strong use of the plus STOPPED this movement. For this reason I advocated the strong use of the plus by the person who wishes to keep his vision at a level that ALWAYS passes all legal visual requirements -- by his own checking. Keith started this process when he was 13 years old. He would periodically notice that his distant vision was getting "blurry" in college. Taking responsibility himself, he simply "re-started" the intensive use of the plus until he exceeded the legal requirement for driving a care, i.e., reading 1.8 cm letters at 6 meters. Keith understood the "trade-off", involved. Use the plus before you fail the DMV, and you will never REQUIRE a minus lens. While on vacation with Keith recently, I noticed he still used the plus to read the newspaper and other work of this nature. I had no idea what his eye-chart was -- and mostly Keith did not check. Here is his statement of his current eye-chart check. ______________________ Dear Keith, As you know, I take PERSONAL responsibility for the "dumb" things I did with my eyes as a young child. Like that "bad habit", of leaning forward and reading at 4 inches (-10 diopters) for long periods of time. The ODs and MDs love to tell us there is no relationship between refractive state -- and environment. They are totally, and scientifically wrong on this issue -- and very biased about it. However the general public will NOT ACCEPT advocacy for prevention, and so the medical-myth must grind on -- and grind-up a massive proportion of young children's eyes. It is tragic that these ODs will not VOLUNTEER information about the natural eye's behavior as a matter of professional course and responsibility. I have long ago given up attempting to deal with that issue. It is only important that you have done this work correctly, and therefore successfully. Problems like this are "solved" at the family level -- not by large institutions. I tell you this so you may protect your own children. It is difficult for a parent to "enforce" something like this on their own children -- but I think they will "get the idea" in time. Eventually the child himself must get the idea if he is to retain clear distant vision through college. .. Otis _____________________________________ Dear Uncle, I've been a bit more diligent in the last couple of months using the plus and I've noticed an improvement in my distance vision. The point of telling you something you already know? Haley went for her 4-year-old check up at the MD and they checked her hearing and vision so I checked my vision too, on a 10 foot chart. Low and behold, my left eye was able to read the 20/15 line and my right eye, although not necessarily clear, was able to read the 20/20 line! Both together made the 20/15 line of course. As you know I don't check regularly so it was surprising that I'm back to that good. A nice surprise. Keith |
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| "otisbrown[at]pa.net" <otisbrown[at]pa.net> wrote: - quote - > Otis> The word "credility" has significance. With whom?
Certainly not with me. I can't even find it in the dictionary. YMMV.-- Live simply so that others may simply live |
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