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Old 02-02-2006, 11:33 PM
Robert Martellaro
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On Wed, 1 Feb 2006 23:48:15 -0500, "Gary Kania" <gkania[at]comcast.net> wrote:

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> I say my Dr. the other day and told him some of the replies I have received
> about targeting for -1.25 to -1.5.
> He suggested one eye for -.5 and the other for -1.25. Not really
> monovision, but enough variance where both eyes should be able to see well
> for distance, but one with the -.5 setting just a bit better for distance to
> maybe avoid needing glasses for driving and the one with the -1.25 just a
> bit better for reading computer screen (not small print) without glasses.
> Any comments?

Gary,

The best visual comfort occurs when both eyes send a sharply focused equally
sized image to the brain. I would resist creating a permanent disparity in lens
powers and try for as close of a match as possible, selecting an uncorrected
focal length for both eyes as discussed above.

Hope this helps

Robert Martellaro
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Old 02-02-2006, 03:48 AM
Gary Kania
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I say my Dr. the other day and told him some of the replies I have received
about targeting for -1.25 to -1.5.

He suggested one eye for -.5 and the other for -1.25. Not really
monovision, but enough variance where both eyes should be able to see well
for distance, but one with the -.5 setting just a bit better for distance to
maybe avoid needing glasses for driving and the one with the -1.25 just a
bit better for reading computer screen (not small print) without glasses.

Any comments?


<acemanvx[at]yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1138541851.545362.246980[at]g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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> what do you use your eyes for more? Near or distance? If you choose
> distance, youll need reading glasses for anything 1 meter away or less
> and things will be start blurrying at 2 meters. If you want to keep
> your computer distance vision clear, opt for a 1 to 1.5 diopter
> undercorrection. I think its better this way because youll only need
> reading glasses for reading fine print, but on the flip side your
> distance vision will be 20/40 or just a tiny bit worse. Youd only need
> distance glasses occasionally and to drive. I know this lady whos
> naturally myopic at -1.25 and shes very happy she can see well enough
> to read at arms length and see well enough in the distance not to need
> glasses except for driving and sometimes watching movies. My brother is
> also -1.25 and doesnt need nor wear distance glasses except to drive.
> The way I think of it, if you choose to be plano, you wont see a thing
> from near and if you get overcorrected at all, youll see blurry at all
> distances. Asking for an undercorrection greatly reduces your chances
> of overcorrection. Youll have the benefit of seeing from near and only
> very slightly blurry in the distance. Unless you must have perfect
> distance vision for your activities, choose the undercorrection and
> smile at not needing reading glasses


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Old 01-30-2006, 07:54 PM
Robert Martellaro
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On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 07:38:28 -0500, "Gary Kania" <gkania[at]comcast.net> wrote:

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> I am going in a couple days for measurements for lens replacement due to, as
> my opthamologist says, "substantial" cataracts. I am 49 years old and am
> nearsighted with corrective lenses at about -3.
> My job requires me to spend a lot of time working on a computer and I am
> concerned about my reading vision after the procedure.

If you keep the same Rx post surgery you'll be able to read without glasses. You
will need glasses for distance and computer.

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> Although my opthamologist explained he could have my replacement lenses
> fitted for close vision instead of far, he said most patients opt for the
> "far" option and use reading glasses.

Maybe. You will see very small print without glasses better than you will see
the same size print with glasses if the post-op Rx is more than -2.50.

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> Just how bad will my close vision be after the replacements? Will I not be
> able to read a computer screen without reading glasses?

If the psot-op Rx is -1.75, screens at 23" will be clear without glasses. You
will need glasses for distance and normal reading distances.

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> In my case, would it possibly be better to opt for lenses focused for near
> vision and use glasses for distance?

That's how I plan to do it when my time comes.

- quote -

> Or does that defeat one the benefits
> of lens replacement?

A benefit for one person is a PIA for another.

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> My opthamologist said there are multifocus lenses, but there are still a lot
> of problems with them. Has anyone tried them?

I've heard more bad than good.

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> What about glare and halos?

Ditto.

- quote -

> Thanks for any replies.

> Gary

Hope this helps




Robert Martellaro
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Roberts Optical
robopt[at]execpc.com
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- Niels Bohr
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Old 01-30-2006, 09:06 AM
acemanvx@yahoo.com
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I strongly agree with David Robins about aiming for a slight
undercorrection. Me and my dad was talking to this lady in person who
had cateract surgury and she ended up +.5 diopters. This means she sees
blurry at all distances and cant see/read anything smaller than half
inch from near. She wears bifocals but takes them off for distance but
needs them at all times around the house. Had she gotten undercorrected
she would be far less dependant on glasses or not at all. In the far
future when my time comes for cateract surgury, if theres no cure for
presbyopia or no good way to treat presbyopia, I will choose an
undercorrection between -1 and -1.5 diopters. This will keep me out of
glasses when using the computer, reading at arms length, walking around
the house, anything in the intermediate range. Ill only need reading
glasses to read fine print and only need distance glasses for driving
or watching TV. If someone uses their vision for near more, I dont
understand why not go for near? If you choose distance and end up
overcorrected at all, you lose! If you choose for near and end
overcorrected youll still be plano!

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Old 01-30-2006, 05:09 AM
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"David Robins, MD" <trashadd[at]bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:C002E1DF.73D3B%trashadd[at]bigfoot.com...
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> On 1/29/06 6:52 AM, in article KE4Df.15374$M94.6514[at]trnddc01,
> "Dick Adams" <bad.addr[at]nonexist.com> wrote:

> > [ ... ]
> > > ~3 months after implants:
> > -0.25; -0.50 [at] 075
> > -0.50; -0.50 [at] 090
> > (subjective -- Humphrey slightly different [more])
> Actually, you got (in spherical equivalent) about -0.50 right eye and -0.75
> left eye, not -1D.

Well, the Humphrey numbers were slightly larger:
-0.25; -0.75 [at] 076
-0.75; -0.75 [at] 083

Uncorrected, I see quite sharply, and parfocally, at 1 meter. So I said
I think I am a diopter nearsighted. The OD, and, on another occasion,
a technician in the same office, denied any validity for the autorefractor.
I dunno why they do that, nor why they soften the autorefractor values.
With my glasses, I still have mild uncorrected astigmatism, consistent with
the differences between the above numbers. But depth of field covers a
multitude of small errors. One would not want one's depth of field to
extend beyond infinity.

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> Aiming for about -0.75, given the uncertainly of outcomes (my own standard
> deviation is about +/- 0.45 D), means that the glasses aren't very strong
> for either distance nor near.

Sounds good to me. I don't know why my surgeon would not discuss his
aiming with me -- maybe he did not feel so sure of the outcome as you do.

--
Dicky

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Old 01-30-2006, 04:19 AM
David Robins, MD
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On 1/29/06 6:52 AM, in article KE4Df.15374$M94.6514[at]trnddc01, "Dick Adams"
<bad.addr[at]nonexist.com> wrote:

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> "Gary Kania" <gkania[at]comcast.net> wrote in message
> newsfydnULJVLjVKkHeRVn-pA[at]comcast.com...
> > Just how bad will my close vision be after the replacements? Will I not be
> > able to read a computer screen without reading glasses?
> I got about 1D nearsighted in each eye. If I had it to do again, I'd choose
> that. It is good for almost everything, but night driving and reading take
> eyeglasses. If my computer screen were at 40 inches (~one meter), it would
> be good without eyeglasses. 23-in.TV at 10 feet is acceptable without
> correction.
> Recognizing faces across the street is problematic.
> > In my case, would it possibly be better to opt for lenses focused for near
> > vision and use glasses for distance? Or does that defeat one the benefits
> > of lens replacement?
> The outcome of lens replacement is not precisely predictable. Astigmatism
> may be changed, or be introduced. In my case, there was a stated uncertainty
> of a half diopter sphere on account of uncommonly long eyeballs. I learned
> that from the tech who measured. The surgeon was unwilling to call the shots
> or consider requests (very frustrating and anxiety provoking!) Probably
> your surgeon will shoot for something in the mid range. Hope you have such
> good luck as I did, so as to not need glasses for most things.
> Walgreens readers (+1.25 D) do fine for me, and are no worse than
> "add 2" to my prescribed numbers.
> > What about glare and halos?
> I do notice objectionable flare, and halos when the corneas get unduly dry.
> Dry-eye was increased by the implant surgery, more in one than the other.
> --
> Dicky
> Age 77
> ~3 months after implants:
> -0.25; -0.50 [at] 075
> -0.50; -0.50 [at] 090
> (subjective -- Humphrey slightly different [more])

Actually, you got (in spherical equivalent) about -0.50 right eye and -0.75
left eye, not -1D.

This is a power I like to end up with after cataract surgery; as you found,
being slightly nearsighted is pretty good for many tasks.

Being zero power (aim for far) is a problem except in those people who want
distance vision without glasses, and put up with the fact that even around
the house they need glasses for most intermediate tasks, and certainly for
near tasks. Avid golfers, for example, like zero power. However, you can aim
for zero power, and where the IOL heals in the eye varies from individual to
individual, so the final power cannot be "guaranteed".

Aiming for about -0.75, given the uncertainly of outcomes (my own standard
deviation is about +/- 0.45 D), menas that the glasses aren't very strong
for either distance nor near.

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Old 01-30-2006, 01:25 AM
The Real Bev
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acemanvx[at]yahoo.com wrote:

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> what do you use your eyes for more? Near or distance? If you choose
> distance, youll need reading glasses for anything 1 meter away or less
> and things will be start blurrying at 2 meters. If you want to keep
> your computer distance vision clear, opt for a 1 to 1.5 diopter
> undercorrection. I think its better this way because youll only need
> reading glasses for reading fine print, but on the flip side your
> distance vision will be 20/40 or just a tiny bit worse. Youd only need
> distance glasses occasionally and to drive. I know this lady whos
> naturally myopic at -1.25 and shes very happy she can see well enough
> to read at arms length and see well enough in the distance not to need
> glasses except for driving and sometimes watching movies. My brother is
> also -1.25 and doesnt need nor wear distance glasses except to drive.
> The way I think of it, if you choose to be plano, you wont see a thing
> from near and if you get overcorrected at all, youll see blurry at all
> distances. Asking for an undercorrection greatly reduces your chances
> of overcorrection. Youll have the benefit of seeing from near and only
> very slightly blurry in the distance. Unless you must have perfect
> distance vision for your activities, choose the undercorrection and
> smile at not needing reading glasses

Nobody has mentioned monovision yet.

Even though I spend the bulk of my day at the computer or reading, I'd choose
good distance vision. If for some reason you break your glasses you're a lot
better off being able to drive to the drugstore to get some more reading
glasses than to walk to your optometrist's office to order some new distance
glasses. You can also buy ordinary sunglasses. Way more convenient.

My mom's ophthalmologist didn't tell her she had options, just gave her near
vision. She was really pissed when she found out that she hadn't been given a
choice because she would have chosen good distance vision instead.

--
Cheers,
Bev
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Old 01-29-2006, 01:52 PM
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"Gary Kania" <gkania[at]comcast.net> wrote in message newsfydnULJVLjVKkHeRVn-pA[at]comcast.com...

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> Just how bad will my close vision be after the replacements? Will I not be
> able to read a computer screen without reading glasses?

I got about 1D nearsighted in each eye. If I had it to do again, I'd choose
that. It is good for almost everything, but night driving and reading take
eyeglasses. If my computer screen were at 40 inches (~one meter), it would
be good without eyeglasses. 23-in.TV at 10 feet is acceptable without correction.
Recognizing faces across the street is problematic.

- quote -

> In my case, would it possibly be better to opt for lenses focused for near
> vision and use glasses for distance? Or does that defeat one the benefits
> of lens replacement?

The outcome of lens replacement is not precisely predictable. Astigmatism
may be changed, or be introduced. In my case, there was a stated uncertainty
of a half diopter sphere on account of uncommonly long eyeballs. I learned
that from the tech who measured. The surgeon was unwilling to call the shots
or consider requests (very frustrating and anxiety provoking!) Probably
your surgeon will shoot for something in the mid range. Hope you have such
good luck as I did, so as to not need glasses for most things.

Walgreens readers (+1.25 D) do fine for me, and are no worse than
"add 2" to my prescribed numbers.

- quote -

> What about glare and halos?

I do notice objectionable flare, and halos when the corneas get unduly dry.
Dry-eye was increased by the implant surgery, more in one than the other.

--
Dicky
Age 77
~3 months after implants:
-0.25; -0.50 [at] 075
-0.50; -0.50 [at] 090
(subjective -- Humphrey slightly different [more])
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Old 01-29-2006, 01:44 PM
Roy Starrin
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On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 07:38:28 -0500, "Gary Kania" <gkania[at]comcast.netwrote:

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> I am going in a couple days for measurements for lens replacement ...
> My job requires me to spend a lot of time working on a computer and I am
> concerned about my reading vision after the procedure.
Been there, done that---sorta. Just went through the IOL implants in
last month, though I was far sighted (+4.0) vice near sighted. I'm
going to give you my opinions, based upon my research, and experience,
and I am an online news editor, not an OD. There are some good ODs
and MDs reading this group and they can certainly provide you with
their expertise.
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> Although my opthamologist explained he could have my replacement lenses
> fitted for close vision instead of far, he said most patients opt for the
> "far" option and use reading glasses.
Before we get into this, the biggest issue you will need to confont is
how you feel about glasses. E.G. I have worn them most of my life,
and I still do. If you are tying to get rid of glasses rmember that
this is not cosmetic surgery to enable you to do so. But, if glasses
are acceptable to you, then accept them. (Carrying them, putting them
on, taking them off, peering over the top, would drive me nuts - I
expect them together with the condition pf my eyes, to afford me the
best vision possible at all ranges/conditions---one pair---all of the
above---all of the time)
My reccomendation is go with the "far" option. He will probably bring
them in just under perfect to avoid over-correction. You glasses will
handle the rest.
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> Just how bad will my close vision be after the replacements? Will I not be
> able to read a computer screen without reading glasses?
Probably not if you go for the "far" option
And how important is this??? It depends on how you have the IOLs set
up. But, according to my reading of your message, you have lenses
with a correction in them now---or do you only put them on for
distance viewing.
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> In my case, would it possibly be better to opt for lenses focused for near
> vision and use glasses for distance?
No one can answer that but you. Is that what you use your glasses for
now?
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> Or does that defeat one the benefits
> of lens replacement?
> My opthamologist said there are multifocus lenses, but there are still a lot
> of problems with them. Has anyone tried them?
Looked at them, did not try them. My research revealed that there
were enough problems with them that some folks were opting to have
them removed - enough to have the number generate a statistic. So, if
something drives you in this direction, have your eyedoc guarantee you
that he will replace them, free of charge, if they don't work for you.
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> What about glare and halos?
For lights at night, some folks yes, some folks no. In most cases
research says they tend to go away after a time. I'm experiencing
some with nioght driving. Nothing that would prevent me from doing so
(My last implant was done about 6 weeks ago.) There are ultraviolet
filters available in lenses by several mfgrs. They will help siome
and will help with night vision. Might as well opt for them. I did
- quote -

> Thanks for any replies.
You're welcome. Remember free opinions are worth what you pay for
them,
BTW, if you have an astigmatism problem, in there somewhere, I would
be glad to provide you an opinion on procedure known as the LRI
(limbal relaxing incision) Folks in this group know it won't be a
good one.
Be well!!!
starrin

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Old 01-29-2006, 12:37 PM
Mike Tyner
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"Gary Kania" <gkania[at]comcast.net> wrote

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> My job requires me to spend a lot of time working on a computer and I am
> concerned about my reading vision after the procedure.
> Although my opthamologist explained he could have my replacement lenses
> fitted for close vision instead of far, he said most patients opt for the
> "far" option and use reading glasses.

Measure the typical distance to your computer screen and tell him that's
where you want your best vision. Given the opportunity to choose, most
people would prefer a less nearsighted prescription than -3.00. If you've
been pulling the monitor close enough to see without glasses (eg ~12")
consider moving it back to 20".

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> Just how bad will my close vision be after the replacements? Will I not
> be able to read a computer screen without reading glasses?

If the implants make your distance vision perfect, you will certainly have
trouble at computer distance and closer.

- quote -

> In my case, would it possibly be better to opt for lenses focused for near
> vision and use glasses for distance? Or does that defeat one the benefits
> of lens replacement?

Presumably the surgery is required because your vision is cloudy at all
distances. That will certainly improve, but there is still the problem of
focusing at different distances. Choose the "working distance" that _you_
use most. If your monitor is at 22", you'd want a post-surgery refraction
of -1.75, and your "driving" glasses would be perhaps 30% thinner than
your -3.00's.

Multifocal implants aren't as satisfying as we might wish, and they cost
more.

-MT


 

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