Dear RT,

RT> Interesting that engineers study the primate eye. Did you build
zoo
cages or something? Is that why you know so much about ape eyes?

Otis> Actually, the data was developed by Francis Young -- who I met
through the good offices of a supportive optometist. Francis had a
great wealth of data on the primate eye (from an "input" versus
"output") perspective, and I found the analysis of the natural eye to
be very valuable to me.

Otis> Using that data, and many other sources I did write and publish
papers on this type of analysis.

Otis> It can be of value to "push" yourself to write the papers and
submit them to engineering groups. It is just good dicipline.

Otis> So that is part of my "perspective".

~RT

In article <1139365477.076870.22170[at]z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> ,
"otisbrown[at]pa.net" <otisbrown[at]pa.net> wrote:

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Clearly then we are different species. I am not a primate, ergo neither
is my son.

Interesting that engineers study the primate eye. Did you build zoo
cages or something? Is that why you know so much about ape eyes?

--
~RT

don't persecute yourself otis. it wouldn't have made any difference if
you tried "the plus", or bifocals, or any other preventative scheme
when you were a kid. the data is clear-- those approaches have no
influence on myopia development. so take it easy on yourself.

Dear RT,

Thanks for your sincere answers.

Quite frankly -- I did similar things with my eyes -- although I
started
about age 6 -- I believe.

I hold myself responsible -- and no one is to "blame" at all.

But as an engineer, studing the dynamic behavior of the
primate eye, I concluded that I induced a negative refractive state
in my eyes -- same as the primates. (Although it is very difficult
to force a primate to do what I did with my eyes.)

The issue is for both of us. I would have had to profoundly
change "my ways" if "prevention were to be possible. I will
forward this to my nephew so that he can be careful and
maybe "forceful" if he sees his children do what I was doing.

But our "judgments" lie with us -- and in my opinion the
OD or MD could only react to the consequence of my
(admitted) bad visual habit.

Tragically, these majority-opinion ODs take my curiosity
about these issues as an "attack" on them -- which it is
not. It is a desire to start a "preventive" process where
they can help "lead" that process.

But the "show stopper" is us -- to be honest.

But I do apprecate the information. How the people on
sci.med.vision understand these issues must be up to them.

Sincerely,

Otis

Okay Otis.. This is really making the professionals unhappy here.
You doubt their professionalism and you would rather argue statin
studies form elsewhere in order to make your point

So, lets see if you can argue with a study that proves that puttin
plus lenses will not only NOT prevent "staircase myopia" it wil
actually CAUSE it to become worse

According to CHUNG, et al. in Vision Research 2002 (with a 2yea
follow-up) there was a group that was under-corrected to 20/40
about a +0.75Dp) Not being their best corrected visual acuity. Th
under corrected group showed INCREASED myopia and axial lengt
(growth in the size of the eyeball) compared to the fully correcte
group.

So now Otis... Stop arguing will you? I don't care about Neil Brook
effect or whatever. It's frustrating when we're trying to answe
questions or pose questions that have some merit and you absolutel
MUST stuff these studies down our throats. It's not pleasant, an
majority of people here.. are frustrated by it anyway

In article <1139345548.474040.102590[at]g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> ,
"otisbrown[at]pa.net" <otisbrown[at]pa.net> wrote:

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"reading" since he was 6 months old.
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but can read further away if prompted.
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certainty.
Outside of school, several hours a day.
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correction? I don't know. He doesn't ever complain about seeing far and
he can see things pretty much as well as I can and I'm 20/15.
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should consider how much time they spend playing gameboy, text messaging
on cell phones, inputing data on PDAs, surfing the net and watching
videos on their psps and video ipods.

You might be curious to know that high myopia and retinal detachments
run in my family. I started wearing glasses at 8. My younger sibling at
6.

Not quite sure what conclusions you are going to draw from your RT Son
Study.

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~RT

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Yeah, I figured not - but I guess I wanted to be clear that (FWIW) I do
in fact know how to spell.

Dear RT,

Subject: Just curious

I hope that we can exchange information. If interested,
could you make an estimate of your child's use
of his eyes for me. I would appreciate it.

1. When did you teach your child to read.

2. Approximately what is the distance (eye to book)
that he reads. (18 inches? 15 inches? 8 inches?0

3. How much time does he spend "reading".

4. Do you know what he sees on his Snellen?
If so, could you check.

[PLEASE! There is no argument here. I am just curious
for background information. ]

Thanks,

Otis

otisbrown[at]pa.net wrote:
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Otis, quoting yourself is generally considered to be
somewhat unusual and a possible indication of
psychological problems.

-Quick

p.clarkii[at]gmail.com wrote:
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Uh oh... I've been pigging out 'cause I figured when
I couldn't walk anymore I'd spring for the Relacore.
"If you only have 10 to 15 pounds to lose then something
that costs $150 per bottle is not for you."

-Quick