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Old 06-02-2006, 11:35 PM
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Default Re: A Parent Uses the Preventive Method of Drs Colgate, Young

Otis "Engineer" is a zealot who advocates his "plus lens" prevention theory
without good reason. There is no scientific data to prove what he proposes.
He would ask that all myopes (=nearsighted persons) go around wearing plus
reading glasses in hopes that it will eventually reverse their
nearsightedness. Nevermind that the blurry distance vision that myopes
complain about is made worse by plus lenses! Nevermind that there is no
proof for what he claims.

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  #26  
Old 06-02-2006, 07:21 PM
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LarryDoc wrote:
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> In article <1149177539.179547.250730[at]i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> ,
> "Dr. Leukoma" <drg[at]leukoma.com> wrote:
> > I actually prefer the very expensive Hoya Summit ECP with Crizal Alize
> > coating in a set of Oliver Peoples frames that I wear over my Acuvue
> > Oasys contact lenses. Unfortunately, the one's I wear in the morning
> > without my contact lenses are at least 10 years old, when I was -4.50.
> > I am now -3.25.
> Oh my gods! You're using 33% STRONGER minus lens than what you "need''!
> Haven't you heard about "staircase myopia"?
> Wait..........you went UP the "down" staircase and became less
> nearsighted over ten years. Please, please tell us how you did it!

Yes, I did go DOWN the UP staircase, or is it UP the DOWN staircase?
The problem is that I cannot seem to get down below -3.25, no matter
how long I wear my over-minused glasses. Who knows that I might not
become plano if I quit wearing my -4.25's in the morning.
- quote -

> PS: If you have a current prescription, I can help you get appropriate
> new spectacles.
Hey, I'm a typical contact lens wearer who doesn't want to invest
anything in spectacles I only wear first thing in the morning. Maybe I
should entice myself with a discount coupon from myself, say 50% off?

  #25  
Old 06-02-2006, 05:05 AM
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On 1 Jun 2006 22:00:56 -0700, acemanvx[at]yahoo.com wrote:

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> otisbrown[at]pa.net wrote:
> > We are never going to know the full "story".
> > > It is very hard to suggest a "go slow" or "wait"
> > policy -- but I think that would have been
> > the better (second-opinion) idea in this case.
> > > I mean, what the hell was the rush???
> > > The kid could function with 20/60 vision. Hell
> > the state of Georgia and Florida have VA req.
> > of 20/60 and 20/70.
> > > There was no good reason to put the kid in
> > a -10 dioper lens.
> > > But I can see only one future for this kid -- her
> > eyes "adapt" to that -10 dioper lens -- same
> > as the primate -- with a strong "down" momvement
> > to -20 diopers or so.
> > > That is a profoundy tragic future for that 3 year-old
> > child.
> > > Just one man's opinion.
> > > Otis
> well hopefully she wont go "down" to -20 that would be very extreme and
> unusual. I know no one with eyes that bad and I have lots of friends
> who wear their wretched evil minus lens ALL THE TIME, even for reading!
> They are "only" about a -5 to -7. I think this 3 year old and her
> parents will realize something is wrong long before her eyes go "down"
> too far. Her 20/60 vision will quickly become 20/200 and they will
> realize the -10 are WAY too strong!

I'm quite certain they will feel edified by your enlightened and
educated opinion.

You should feel very proud for having helped their daughter like this.

Idiot.
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Old 06-02-2006, 05:00 AM
acemanvx@yahoo.com
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otisbrown[at]pa.net wrote:
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> We are never going to know the full "story".
> It is very hard to suggest a "go slow" or "wait"
> policy -- but I think that would have been
> the better (second-opinion) idea in this case.
> I mean, what the hell was the rush???
> The kid could function with 20/60 vision. Hell
> the state of Georgia and Florida have VA req.
> of 20/60 and 20/70.
> There was no good reason to put the kid in
> a -10 dioper lens.
> But I can see only one future for this kid -- her
> eyes "adapt" to that -10 dioper lens -- same
> as the primate -- with a strong "down" momvement
> to -20 diopers or so.
> That is a profoundy tragic future for that 3 year-old
> child.
> Just one man's opinion.
> Otis


well hopefully she wont go "down" to -20 that would be very extreme and
unusual. I know no one with eyes that bad and I have lots of friends
who wear their wretched evil minus lens ALL THE TIME, even for reading!
They are "only" about a -5 to -7. I think this 3 year old and her
parents will realize something is wrong long before her eyes go "down"
too far. Her 20/60 vision will quickly become 20/200 and they will
realize the -10 are WAY too strong!

  #23  
Old 06-02-2006, 04:04 AM
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On 1 Jun 2006 21:02:34 -0700, "otisbrown[at]pa.net" <otisbrown[at]pa.netwrote:

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> We are never going to know the full "story".
> It is very hard to suggest a "go slow" or "wait"
> policy -- but I think that would have been
> the better (second-opinion) idea in this case.
> I mean, what the hell was the rush???
> The kid could function with 20/60 vision. Hell
> the state of Georgia and Florida have VA req.
> of 20/60 and 20/70.
> There was no good reason to put the kid in
> a -10 dioper lens.

That YOU know of, but ... you're an idiot.
  #22  
Old 06-02-2006, 04:02 AM
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We are never going to know the full "story".

It is very hard to suggest a "go slow" or "wait"
policy -- but I think that would have been
the better (second-opinion) idea in this case.

I mean, what the hell was the rush???

The kid could function with 20/60 vision. Hell
the state of Georgia and Florida have VA req.
of 20/60 and 20/70.

There was no good reason to put the kid in
a -10 dioper lens.

But I can see only one future for this kid -- her
eyes "adapt" to that -10 dioper lens -- same
as the primate -- with a strong "down" momvement
to -20 diopers or so.

That is a profoundy tragic future for that 3 year-old
child.

Just one man's opinion.

Otis

  #21  
Old 06-02-2006, 03:56 AM
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acema...[at]yahoo.com wrote:
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> otisbrown[at]pa.net wrote:
> > Dear Ace.
> > > It is indeed difficult to deal with parents on this subject.
> > > I suggested a "second-opinion", but the parent
> > followed the -10 diopter recommendation.
> > > Once a decision, or choice like that is made -- there
> > is no "reversing" it.
> > > It takes time to develop 20/20 vision -- and
> > as some ODs know -- younger children
> > do not have it. They will have 20/40 or maybe
> > 20/50. Typically this is ignored for
> > 3 year-old kids. I mean, why the hell would
> > a 3 year-old need 20/20 vision?? But, again,
> > that is a matter of the "second-opinion".
> > > Best,
> > > Otis
> Good point, maybe her brain just hasnt yet adapted to seeing. Although
> her optometrist said she was -10 something with a retinoscope and some
> specalists think she may have an abnormally shaped crystaline lens. We
> havent heard from her parents in many months and may never know the
> true story.

I presume you know, however, that this won't stop Otis from making
assumptions, then presenting them as supporting evidence for his
antiquated notions, right?

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Old 06-02-2006, 03:53 AM
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otisbrown[at]pa.net wrote:
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> Dear Ace.
> It is indeed difficult to deal with parents on this subject.
> I suggested a "second-opinion", but the parent
> followed the -10 diopter recommendation.
> Once a decision, or choice like that is made -- there
> is no "reversing" it.
> It takes time to develop 20/20 vision -- and
> as some ODs know -- younger children
> do not have it. They will have 20/40 or maybe
> 20/50. Typically this is ignored for
> 3 year-old kids. I mean, why the hell would
> a 3 year-old need 20/20 vision?? But, again,
> that is a matter of the "second-opinion".
> Best,
> Otis


Good point, maybe her brain just hasnt yet adapted to seeing. Although
her optometrist said she was -10 something with a retinoscope and some
specalists think she may have an abnormally shaped crystaline lens. We
havent heard from her parents in many months and may never know the
true story.

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Old 06-02-2006, 03:49 AM
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otisbrown[at]pa.net wrote:
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> Dear Ace.
> It is indeed difficult to deal with parents on this subject.
> I suggested a "second-opinion", but the parent
> followed the -10 diopter recommendation.
> Once a decision, or choice like that is made -- there
> is no "reversing" it.
> It takes time to develop 20/20 vision -- and
> as some ODs know -- younger children
> do not have it. They will have 20/40 or maybe
> 20/50. Typically this is ignored for
> 3 year-old kids. I mean, why the hell would
> a 3 year-old need 20/20 vision?? But, again,
> that is a matter of the "second-opinion".
> Best,
> Otis

Yeah ... the ol' plus lens. That would have fixed her. It straightens
curved spines, can solve the Middle East crisis, AND should be able to
replace fossil fuels in another year or so.

Idiot.

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Old 06-02-2006, 03:45 AM
otisbrown@pa.net
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Dear Ace.

It is indeed difficult to deal with parents on this subject.

I suggested a "second-opinion", but the parent
followed the -10 diopter recommendation.

Once a decision, or choice like that is made -- there
is no "reversing" it.

It takes time to develop 20/20 vision -- and
as some ODs know -- younger children
do not have it. They will have 20/40 or maybe
20/50. Typically this is ignored for
3 year-old kids. I mean, why the hell would
a 3 year-old need 20/20 vision?? But, again,
that is a matter of the "second-opinion".

Best,

Otis

 

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