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Old 07-03-2006, 06:02 PM
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On 7/3/06 9:20 AM, in article
1151943657.356864.164410[at]h44g...oglegroups.com,
"doctor_my_eye[at]msn.com" <doctor_my_eye[at]msn.com> wrote:

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> The real novelty is in the use of carbon from dead relatives to make a
> "wearable legacy" in the form of a diamond. So, if you just can't wait
> to wear grandma on your ring finger or really remember your dog Spike,
> look at this website:
> http://www.lifegem.com/
> studyandjobs[at]yahoo.com wrote:
> > Diamonds can now be made in laboratories by Scientists???
> > > Diamonds can now be made in laboratories and can be used for very
> > unusual purposes.
> > http://www.studyandjobs.com/diamond.html
> > > or visit
> > http://www.studyandjobs.com/basicscience_study.htm
> > > regards
Isn't that something like a graven image?

Bill
-- Ferme le Bush


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Old 07-03-2006, 06:00 PM
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On 7/3/06 4:16 AM, in article 44a8fc41.358346[at]news.usenetzone.com, "John
Savard" <seewebsite[at]excxn.aNOSPAMb.cdn.invalid> wrote:

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> I'm surprised, though. Quartz has the same structure, yet it is
> birefringent.

More antiknowledge. Quartz is indeed birefringent but its crystal class is
trigonal, not cubic.

Bill
-- Ferme le Bush


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Old 07-03-2006, 04:20 PM
doctor_my_eye@msn.com
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The real novelty is in the use of carbon from dead relatives to make a
"wearable legacy" in the form of a diamond. So, if you just can't wait
to wear grandma on your ring finger or really remember your dog Spike,
look at this website:

http://www.lifegem.com/


studyandjobs[at]yahoo.com wrote:
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> Diamonds can now be made in laboratories by Scientists???
> Diamonds can now be made in laboratories and can be used for very
> unusual purposes.
> http://www.studyandjobs.com/diamond.html
> or visit
> http://www.studyandjobs.com/basicscience_study.htm
> regards

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Old 07-03-2006, 11:16 AM
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On Sun, 02 Jul 2006 21:24:02 GMT, Salmon Egg <salmonegg[at]sbcglobal.netwrote, in part:

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> Being a cubic crystal, diamond is not birefrinent.

I found out that diamond was not birefringent from a website on diamond
simulants, but although I posted a correction, it didn't show up.

I'm surprised, though. Quartz has the same structure, yet it is
birefringent.

John Savard
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Old 07-02-2006, 09:24 PM
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On 7/2/06 12:19 AM, in article 44a77263.25199926[at]news.usenetzone.com, "John
Savard" <seewebsite[at]excxn.aNOSPAMb.cdn.invalid> wrote:

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> Also, sapphire seems like a very good lens material, because it has not
> only a high index, but low dispersion. Diamond has a high dispersion -
> and isn't it birefringent too?

Being a cubic crystal, diamond is not birefrinent.

Bill
-- Ferme le Bush


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Old 07-02-2006, 07:19 AM
John Savard
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On 27 Jun 2006 09:28:38 -0700, "Cliff Schuring"
<cliffschuring[at]hotmail.com> wrote, in part:

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> Diamond lense are already here about $1700 each and the
> company Sixth Element is making them, wild quess who owns them. Thats
> right the De Beers, here is a site with a PDF file talking about them.
> By the way Intel also uses a lense version for IC analysis on the new
> emmi instruments. Enjoy.

I know one company bought some Russian technology, and was near being
able to commercially make inexpensive yellow diamonds.

Another company was a bit further off with chemical vapor deposition.
Did De Beers buy their technology?

Also, sapphire seems like a very good lens material, because it has not
only a high index, but low dispersion. Diamond has a high dispersion -
and isn't it birefringent too?

In any case, according to the latest issue of Scientific American, a
very thin coating of silver on a lens can produce, at least at a short
range, the ability for that lens, through a partial adoption of
characteristics of negative refraction, to focus light to make details
shorter than its wavelength.

Just the thing to keep Moore's Law going for a few more years!

Of course, there may still be uses for a diamond lens. A flint element
to go with a sapphire lens as the crown?

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Old 06-30-2006, 09:04 PM
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Peter Trei wrote:
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> Erik Max Francis wrote:
> > Peter Trei wrote:
> > > > It's my suspicion that when the patents run out, around
> > > 15-20 years from now, the price of diamonds will finally
> > > fall to a realistic level, and deBeers will pack up shop.
> > > I kind of doubt it. A lot of people who want diamonds for jewelry want
> > them because they're expensive, not because they're just diamonds. All
> > De Beers has to do is keep pumping the idea that their diamonds are what
> > the consumers want and artificial diamonds are fake, regardless of
> > whether they're indistinguishable. De Beers already has methods of
> > tracking the authenticity of their diamonds, so whether you can't tell
> > them apart is really irrelevant in that respect.
> > > Diamonds for industrial purposes is another thing, but there already De
> > Beers doesn't have a lock on that market.
> The Wikipedia article on "Synthetic Diamond" is informative.
> You might want to look at Apollo Diamond
> http://www.apollodiamond.com/ who say they will start
> selling synthetic colorless diamonds this year.
> Gemesis http://www.gemesis.com/home.htm is specializing on
> colored diamonds, which actually command a higher price than
> mined ones.
> The current "custom" of diamond engagement rings actually only
> dates back to an advertising campaign by deBeers in the 1940s.
> When its possible to buy synthetic diamond jewelry for a
> fraction of the current price, and the stones are
> distinguishable from mined stones by (a) their lack of
> flaws, (b) or by using lab equipment, deBeers is going to
> have a real problem on its hands. Most people simply won't
> care.
> Peter Trei


Hes right, many people insist on the real thing even when replicas look
identical to the nakid eye. It may be a while before technology can
make synthetic diamonds as perfect as the real thing where no one can
tell any difference. Still I wouldnt invest in diamonds now because
they wont be worth so much years from now. As for diamond lens glasses,
they would cost a fortune to make and probably will consist of hundreds
of tiny diamonds glued together. The chromatic and other aberrations
would make them impratical. They also would be impratical for anything
less than -15 diopters. We have 1.9 index glass(a far cry from 4.0
diamond) and I cant believe how thin those 1.9 glasses are! A -14 was
shown in those glasses and they are about half a centimeter thick or as
thick as standard index -5 glasses! I hear cermics with index as high
as 2.5 is in the works. This will mean super, super high pescriptions,
even -30 can have 2.5 index glasses less than a centimeter thick! No
more cokebottles, no more myodiscs(very poor field of vision)

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Old 06-28-2006, 07:43 PM
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Erik Max Francis wrote:
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> Peter Trei wrote:
> > It's my suspicion that when the patents run out, around
> > 15-20 years from now, the price of diamonds will finally
> > fall to a realistic level, and deBeers will pack up shop.
> I kind of doubt it. A lot of people who want diamonds for jewelry want
> them because they're expensive, not because they're just diamonds. All
> De Beers has to do is keep pumping the idea that their diamonds are what
> the consumers want and artificial diamonds are fake, regardless of
> whether they're indistinguishable. De Beers already has methods of
> tracking the authenticity of their diamonds, so whether you can't tell
> them apart is really irrelevant in that respect.
> Diamonds for industrial purposes is another thing, but there already De
> Beers doesn't have a lock on that market.

The Wikipedia article on "Synthetic Diamond" is informative.

You might want to look at Apollo Diamond
http://www.apollodiamond.com/ who say they will start
selling synthetic colorless diamonds this year.

Gemesis http://www.gemesis.com/home.htm is specializing on
colored diamonds, which actually command a higher price than
mined ones.

The current "custom" of diamond engagement rings actually only
dates back to an advertising campaign by deBeers in the 1940s.

When its possible to buy synthetic diamond jewelry for a
fraction of the current price, and the stones are
distinguishable from mined stones by (a) their lack of
flaws, (b) or by using lab equipment, deBeers is going to
have a real problem on its hands. Most people simply won't
care.

Peter Trei
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Old 06-27-2006, 04:28 PM
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Bill and Salmon Egg,

Diamond lense are already here about $1700 each and the
company Sixth Element is making them, wild quess who owns them. Thats
right the De Beers, here is a site with a PDF file talking about them.
By the way Intel also uses a lense version for IC analysis on the new
emmi instruments. Enjoy.

http://files.hanser.de/zeitschriften..._eLP100379.pdf

Regards
Cliff

Salmon Egg wrote:
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> On 6/25/06 9:33 PM, in article
> 1151296424.239616.62670[at]m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com,
> "studyandjobs[at]yahoo.com" <studyandjobs[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Diamonds can now be made in laboratories by Scientists???
> > > Diamonds can now be made in laboratories and can be used for very
> > unusual purposes.
> > http://www.studyandjobs.com/diamond.html
> > > or visit
> > http://www.studyandjobs.com/basicscience_study.htm
> > > regards
> > If it should ever come to that, diamond lenses would become the lightest and
> highest index lens material. The would impervious to scratching. The biggest
> drawback would be the design and application of a decent antireflection
> coating. Without a coating, reflectivity at each surface would be about 17%.
> Chromatic aberration might be a problem.
> Even so, based upon posts here, people will be complaining about thick
> lenses and want lighter ones as well.
> Bill
> -- Ferme le Bush

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Old 06-27-2006, 01:38 PM
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To All:
Diamond material has been created for a long time. Diamond
particles have been created for grinding and polishing compounds for
years. Diamond coatings for thermal transfer for say heat sinks
attached to micropocessors has been available of the shelf. Creating
diamond optically clear films or windows, lenses is around. The problem
is if you look is that De Beers owns the patents on any diamond
material that is considered optically transparent (any wavelenght not
specified in patent) above a certian thickness. Figure out away around
that and you can create your gems in a vacuum chamber fairly simply.
You include what ever impurities you want (a lot of analysis of these
has been done over the years and is in papers) and you would have a
very hard time telling the real from the newly created diamond.

Cliff Schuring

Luke Campbell wrote:
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> Erik Max Francis wrote:
> > I kind of doubt it. A lot of people who want diamonds for jewelry want
> > them because they're expensive, not because they're just diamonds. All
> > De Beers has to do is keep pumping the idea that their diamonds are what
> > the consumers want and artificial diamonds are fake, regardless of
> > whether they're indistinguishable. De Beers already has methods of
> > tracking the authenticity of their diamonds, so whether you can't tell
> > them apart is really irrelevant in that respect.
> In addition: suppose you have a small start-up company that produces
> diamond in large crystals. Do you try to compete in an established
> market of luxury baubles already dominated by De Beers, or do you
> target the market for high temperature semiconductors, radiation
> detectors, and lasers which is currently wide open? The later requires
> moderately priced materials that can compete with silicon, silicon
> carbide, and Nd:YAG. I know I'd try to make my fortune by touting my
> product as a superior material for technological applications, and if
> flooding the jewelry market with inexpensive diamonds was a by-product
> of this, then so much the better.
> Luke

 

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