Mike Tyner wrote:
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Mike, I've never given this much thought but always assumed
that the visual system wants to maintain spherical equivalency
(much as the same reason we maintain it on a refraction, dropping
down a .25 on a -.50 cyl increase).

frank

I'm tired of your Raphaelson line. can't you think of something more
credible, like some real scientific proof for your claims?

time to take your false-teeth out and take your nap. your getting kind
of cranky.

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otisbrown[at]pa.net wrote:
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ROFLMAO

brilliant!

!!!!!

CatmanX wrote:
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Well you have things backwards as usual. The idea that accommodation
causes myopia started out with a large group of people believing it to
be a possibility a couple of decades ago. then the studies were done
that disproved the theory and showed the situation is more complex.
Now the only people who continue to believe that minus lenses cause
myopia and plus lenses help to prevent it are a few fringe-group
freakos like you. either that or someone who has lived under a rock
for the last 10 years.

You fantasize about yourself being some tragic figure who is rightfully
battling against the evil scientific establishment. You fantasize that
someday people will say "otis was right and we were wrong". well dream
on old fool. your ideas have been disproven years ago and the truth is
that your second-opinion friends, if they really exist as an actual
group or perhaps more as an illusion in your deluded mind, are such a
dwendling number that you can only name one guy who has a website in
China.

you are a joke.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

otisbrown[at]pa.net wrote:
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<otisbrown[at]pa.net> wrote

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I would think you'd need a basic knowledge of physics and optics before you
elevate yourself to the status of authority on myopia prevention.

Since you're the expert, could you explain why people choose *less* minus
cylinder using JCC when they're under-minused and *more* minus cylinder by
JCC when they're overminused? I first noticed that after about 5 years in
practice and I *still* haven't figured it out. Least now I know to watch out
for it.

Go ahead I'll wait.

-MT

Yes, AceMan, Grant says he is a "God" in his office. But
please remember wise and humble second-opinion medical people
recognize and state this arrogance -- and its effect.


A REVIEW OF THE PAST APPROACH

We should all thoughtfully evaluate the unfortunate effect of
using an immediate and easy fix for the problem of
nearsightedness. This situation of a self- perpetuating mistake
(produced by public need and attitude) is sometimes recognized by
the students of medicine. Dr. Perri Klass said it this way in
VITAL SIGNS:

"... Sometimes the awesome weight of medical knowledge is
totally off the beam. You have to practice medicine with that in
mind, with the knowledge that a hundred years or so along the
road, they'll be telling stories about the medical theories of
today to get a laugh of the medical students of 2106 ..."

And about medicines' confidence in its routines:

"... Or something so basic, so taken for granted, that no
one has gotten around to questioning it. Whatever it is, probably
the medical profession is collectively doing something really dumb
and really damaging, and doing it with complete good will and
typical medical self-confidence."

This applies to vision. The demand for negative lens use
comes partly from the public's demand for an instant solution,
(and corresponding reluctance to properly use a plus lens) and not
from a scientific assessment of the behavior characteristic of the
fundamental eye

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CatmanX wrote:
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Dear AceMan,

As before, the arrogance and ignorance of Dr. Grant (CatMan) shines
though.

Yes, he knows how to quick-fix with that impressive minus. But
hell, ANYONE COULD DO THAT.

With a basic knowledge of physics and optics -- I could teach
you how to do that in about a week.

In about two weeks (with a trial-lens kit) you could be measuring
refractive STATES -- with greater accuracy than Dr. Grant.

But always remember Raphelson's statement of "The Printer's Son".

You can not have a "quick-fix" minus -- and effective plus-prevention.

This is an issue you must decide BEFORE some "God" in his
office over-prescribes a minus lens and creates stair case
myopia for that kid.

But that is the nature of the PREVENTIVE second-opinion -- and
your need to face scientific facts (that Grant ignores) and reach
a conclusion if you wish a second-opinion OD like
Steve Leung help your child with plus-prevention.

That is truly the issue. At least you have heard
the majority-opinion -- loud and clear.

Best,

Otis



CatmanX wrote:
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Cletis,

speaking seriously, and as a professional, there are a few points I
wish to make.

1) In my consulting room, as you correctly stated, I am god.

2) I earned that right through study, hard work and developing a
reputation for quality work, excellent results and caring for my
patients and their welfare.

3) You have not earned that right. You are a pathetic little pissant
that insults the very fibre of prevention of myopia. You do not deal
with 20 patients a day wanting to see clearly, you do not have to
ensure that a kid can see the board in class, as well as read and
function outside the classroom.

4) You have no concept of the issues, I and every other OD must face on
a daily basis for the best welfare of each and every one of our
patients. You prefer to pontificate about evil minus and second opinion
crap , whose supporters are less credible than yourself.

5) You keep talking about second opinion doctors, but never name any
other than Steven Leung. Why is this? I do know several OD's in Hong
Kong and Singapore and Steven Leung is held in the esteem that I hold
you and Nancy. He has no basis to his method, he just uses the fear of
parents to sell his glasses for his own profit. His website is a fraud
and most of the links don't work. There is no scientific validation,
just fear-mongering.

6) Why do you keep posting conversations with yourself? You must be
very sad and lonely.

All in all, you are a pathetic, miserable sycophant that has nothing to
provdie other than fear. No answers, no proof, nothing.

Crawl back under your rock and fester away.

dr grant

otisbrown[at]pa.net wrote:

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The minus works and the plus does not.

DrG

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CatmanX wrote:
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