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Old 12-29-2006, 04:09 AM
louise
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michael toulch wrote:
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> i am sure that in eyeglass store lingo the terms anti glare and anti
> reflective are being used interchangeably and refer to the same
> coating.
> at -5 you are probably getting hi index lenses and therefore anti
> reflective coatings become more important or the reflections on the
> lenses will be greater.
> the coatings do increase light transmission thru the lens and therefore
> enable brighter view. the coatings are on both surfaces of the lens and
> therefore offer an esthetic advantage (someone looking at you sees your
> eyes and not a lot of reflection off the lens) and a functional
> advantage (the wearer has less kick or reflection in the lens he's
> looking thru).
> The idea is the AR coating causes the lens interface to more or less
> disappear . look at your self in a mirror with wearing a pair of
> regular lenses and compare with ar lenses. Very obvious difference.
> midwest_46[at]yahoo.com wrote:
> > Hello. I am a 33-year-old male.
> > > I need to get a pair of glasses with the prescription -5.00, -5.00 for
> > driving, watching movies in a theater, etc. Would it be useful to buy
> > lenses that have anti-glare or anti-reflective coating on them?
> > > What exactly does this coating do?
> > > > Also, I may buy another pair of glasses to use as reading glasses.
> > These glasses would be used for reading, computer use, etc. Would
> > anti-glare or anti-reflective coating be useful for these glasses?
> > > > I have had driving glasses and reading glasses before, and I don't
> > think I've ever had anti-glare coating before. I'm not sure, but I
> > don't think that not having this coating has been a problem.
> > > > The coating can cost as much as an extra $75 for each pair of glasses.
> > So, is the coating worth the price?
> > > Thanks for any information.
> > > > John
I find they make a tremendous difference when driving at
night - oncoming headlights etc. - well worth the money.

Louise
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Old 12-23-2006, 03:41 AM
michael toulch
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Default Re: Are anti-glare or anti-reflective lenses useful?

i am sure that in eyeglass store lingo the terms anti glare and anti
reflective are being used interchangeably and refer to the same
coating.
at -5 you are probably getting hi index lenses and therefore anti
reflective coatings become more important or the reflections on the
lenses will be greater.

the coatings do increase light transmission thru the lens and therefore
enable brighter view. the coatings are on both surfaces of the lens and
therefore offer an esthetic advantage (someone looking at you sees your
eyes and not a lot of reflection off the lens) and a functional
advantage (the wearer has less kick or reflection in the lens he's
looking thru).

The idea is the AR coating causes the lens interface to more or less
disappear . look at your self in a mirror with wearing a pair of
regular lenses and compare with ar lenses. Very obvious difference.

midwest_46[at]yahoo.com wrote:
- quote -

> Hello. I am a 33-year-old male.
> I need to get a pair of glasses with the prescription -5.00, -5.00 for
> driving, watching movies in a theater, etc. Would it be useful to buy
> lenses that have anti-glare or anti-reflective coating on them?
> What exactly does this coating do?
> Also, I may buy another pair of glasses to use as reading glasses.
> These glasses would be used for reading, computer use, etc. Would
> anti-glare or anti-reflective coating be useful for these glasses?
> I have had driving glasses and reading glasses before, and I don't
> think I've ever had anti-glare coating before. I'm not sure, but I
> don't think that not having this coating has been a problem.
> The coating can cost as much as an extra $75 for each pair of glasses.
> So, is the coating worth the price?
> Thanks for any information.
> John

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Old 12-21-2006, 08:44 PM
Salmon Egg
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Default Re: Are anti-glare or anti-reflective lenses useful?

On 12/21/06 11:47 AM, in article
xyBih.12033$Gw4.828[at]newssvr23.news.prodigy.net, "William Stacy"
<wstacy[at]obase.net> wrote:

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> Right. This sci.med.VISION, where we use ophthalmic optics terminology, not
> precision camera or instrument terminology. But I still think you are using
> the term glare incorrectly even in that context (see my definition below). And
> I don't know why you are specifying dielectric below. What has that got to do
> with anything? Reflected sunlight off any relatively smooth surface anywhere
> near Brewster's angle will of course be polarized, including glass, water,
> even the atmosphere, which is why polarized filters are used under those
> conditions. We do not use the term flare in the eye business, except in the
> context of warning people not to try to observe the solar variety, and to use
> protective eyewear when handling the boating or highway hazard varieties. Your
> use of the term here is showing your, er, obfuscatory flair.

Unfortunately, there are many divergences generated among disciplines that
confuse people trying to understand other specialists in related fields. For
example, the way the direction of polarization was once arbitrarily assigned
was in terms of the direction of the magnetic field in the propagating wave.
Later, it was found that interaction with matter was primarily with the
electric field. The term direction of vibration was then used to replace
direction of polarization. Nevertheless, confusion is still there.

I used the term dielectric because metals do not have a (real) Brewster
angle. That is, simple metallic reflection does not discriminate with
polarization state. That is, polarized glasses could help with sun glare off
of the rust on steel plates put in the roadway, but not the reflection from
clean shiny steel.

Flare is a term used by photographers. It corresponds to the general loss of
contrast from scattered light. It also refers to various artifacts in
photographs that often come from unwanted and often unrecognizable images
generated by specular reflection off of lens surfaces.

Bill
-- Fermez le Bush



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Old 12-21-2006, 06:47 PM
William Stacy
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Default Re: Are anti-glare or anti-reflective lenses useful?

Right. This sci.med.VISION, where we use ophthalmic optics terminology,
not precision camera or instrument terminology. But I still think you
are using the term glare incorrectly even in that context (see my
definition below). And I don't know why you are specifying dielectric
below. What has that got to do with anything? Reflected sunlight off
any relatively smooth surface anywhere near Brewster's angle will of
course be polarized, including glass, water, even the atmosphere, which
is why polarized filters are used under those conditions. We do not use
the term flare in the eye business, except in the context of warning
people not to try to observe the solar variety, and to use protective
eyewear when handling the boating or highway hazard varieties. Your use
of the term here is showing your, er, obfuscatory flair.

w.stacy, o.d.

Salmon Egg wrote:

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> On 12/21/06 9:04 AM, in article
> 78zih.35837$wP1.2987[at]newssvr14.news.prodigy.net, "William Stacy"
> <wstacy[at]obase.net> wrote:
> There you go again. Please don't use confusing terms like glare
> and flare. Glare refers to distracting light coming from around
> the object of regard, and cannot be corrected with any eyeglasses.
> Specular reflection refers to light that is reflected off a
> relatively smooth surface like a highway, water and computer
> monitor or eyeglass lenses. These the first two can be fixed with
> polarized lenses, the second by the use of anti-reflection
> coatings. Let's keep the terminology straight. In the present
> case, if he chooses high index lenses, which have significantly
> higher relflectivity, approaching 10%, anti-reflection coatings
> will definitely help. High quality ones (over $60) are quite
> durable and always come with guarantees.
> Again, there is terminology confusion. I take glare to be s
> (senkrecht) polarized light reflected off of dielectric surfaces, like
> asphalt, that can be partially blocked (totally at the Brewster angle)
> by viewing through properly oriented polarized film.
> Flare is the recording or perception of artifacts in a photograph
> arising from light reflected at the surfaces of lens elements.
> Bill
> -- Fermez le Bush

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Old 12-21-2006, 05:51 PM
Salmon Egg
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On 12/20/06 11:59 PM, in article
1166687943.946994.247740[at]42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com, "midwest_46[at]yahoo.com"
<midwest_46[at]yahoo.com> wrote:

- quote -

> So, let me see if I have this straight.
> Anti-glare coating keeps light out and decreases the brightness of,
> say, a computer monitor.
> Anti-glare coating can be purchased in cheap, clip-on form.
> Anti-reflection coating allows more light to come in. Thus, if I am
> wearing glasses with anti-reflection coating, my glasses reflect less
> light towards the people who are looking at me.
> So, if I am sitting at a computer, anti-reflection coating will make
> the monitor appear brighter than it already appears?
> Also, the lenses that I buy will be transition lenses. That is, when
> the sun goes up, the glasses become sunglasses. So, on a sunny day, is
> anti-glare coating necessary if I have transition lenses? And, as for
> anti-reflection coating, will transition lenses and the anti-reflection
> coating cancel each other out?

You would lose about 4% of the light at each of the two lens surfaces
(assuming an index of 1.5) or a total loss of about 8%. The additional
transmission of light is not really all that useful. It is the prevention of
the reflected light from generating confusion that is the big benefit.
Simple one layer AR coatings will reduce the reflectivity to about 1% per
surface. Multilayer coatings, and I am not familiar with what dispensing
opticians can do these days, can improve upon that.

If your lens index goes up to 1.65, the total loss is about 6% per surface.
Strange as it may seem, single layer coatings will give improved AR
performance on such lens surfaces up to a lens index of 1.9 compared to
lower index lenses.

For monitors, there are other systems for wiping out glare that do not
require glasses. Retarding waveplate films can be placed in front of the
screen so that light reflected off of a CRT surface does not get back out.
Other methods use absorbing screens or meshes that reduce light from
reflections off of the screen/

Bill
-- Fermez le Bush


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Old 12-21-2006, 05:30 PM
Salmon Egg
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Default Re: Are anti-glare or anti-reflective lenses useful?

On 12/21/06 9:04 AM, in article
78zih.35837$wP1.2987[at]newssvr14.news.prodigy.net, "William Stacy"
<wstacy[at]obase.net> wrote:

- quote -

> There you go again. Please don't use confusing terms like glare and flare.
> Glare refers to distracting light coming from around the object of regard, and
> cannot be corrected with any eyeglasses. Specular reflection refers to light
> that is reflected off a relatively smooth surface like a highway, water and
> computer monitor or eyeglass lenses. These the first two can be fixed with
> polarized lenses, the second by the use of anti-reflection coatings. Let's
> keep the terminology straight. In the present case, if he chooses high index
> lenses, which have significantly higher relflectivity, approaching 10%,
> anti-reflection coatings will definitely help. High quality ones (over $60)
> are quite durable and always come with guarantees.

Again, there is terminology confusion. I take glare to be s (senkrecht)
polarized light reflected off of dielectric surfaces, like asphalt, that can
be partially blocked (totally at the Brewster angle) by viewing through
properly oriented polarized film.

Flare is the recording or perception of artifacts in a photograph arising
from light reflected at the surfaces of lens elements.

Bill
-- Fermez le Bush



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Old 12-21-2006, 04:04 PM
William Stacy
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Default Re: Are anti-glare or anti-reflective lenses useful?

There you go again. Please don't use confusing terms like glare and
flare. Glare refers to distracting light coming from around the object
of regard, and cannot be corrected with any eyeglasses. Specular
reflection refers to light that is reflected off a relatively smooth
surface like a highway, water and computer monitor or eyeglass lenses.
These the first two can be fixed with polarized lenses, the second by
the use of anti-reflection coatings. Let's keep the terminology
straight. In the present case, if he chooses high index lenses, which
have significantly higher relflectivity, approaching 10%,
anti-reflection coatings will definitely help. High quality ones (over
$60) are quite durable and always come with guarantees.

w.stacy, o.d.

Salmon Egg wrote:

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> On 12/20/06 8:06 PM, in article
> 1166674018.469403.141480[at]48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com, "midwest_46[at]yahoo.com"
> <midwest_46[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Hello. I am a 33-year-old male.
> > > I need to get a pair of glasses with the prescription -5.00, -5.00 for
> > driving, watching movies in a theater, etc. Would it be useful to buy
> > lenses that have anti-glare or anti-reflective coating on them?
> > > Antiglare lenses have a polarized coating on them that ideally cuts out a
> bit more than half of the light. In addition, it cuts out some reflected
> light off of the pavement near what is the Brewster angle. Look that up in
> Wikipedia. I personally use CHEAP clip-on polarized glasses for that
> purpose.
> > What exactly does this coating do?
> > > > Also, I may buy another pair of glasses to use as reading glasses.
> > These glasses would be used for reading, computer use, etc. Would
> > anti-glare or anti-reflective coating be useful for these glasses?
> > > > I have had driving glasses and reading glasses before, and I don't
> > think I've ever had anti-glare coating before. I'm not sure, but I
> > don't think that not having this coating has been a problem.
> > > > The coating can cost as much as an extra $75 for each pair of glasses.
> > So, is the coating worth the price?
> > > Antireflection coatings on glasses are nice but usually not durable. They
> are anti-FLARE as opposed to anti-GLARE. That is, the typically 4% of light
> at a lens air surface is reduced to about 1%. This lets more light get
> through and reduces the multiple reflections that might be annoying.
> I find antireflection coatings to be more useful in cameras where the stray
> light can leave a permanent reminder on the picture. For spectacles, you can
> often, but not always, move your head in a way to minimize the annoyance.
> > Thanks for any information.
> > > > John
> > > > -- Fermez le Bush

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Old 12-21-2006, 07:54 AM
Bucky
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midwest_46[at]yahoo.com wrote:
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> Would it be useful to buy
> lenses that have anti-glare or anti-reflective coating on them?

I'm no expert, but in my experience, those coatings are more for when
other people look at your eyes, they don't see as much reflections off
of them. And see less rings around the edges of the lenses.

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Old 12-21-2006, 06:59 AM
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Salmon Egg wrote:
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> Antireflection coatings on glasses are nice but usually not durable. They
> are anti-FLARE as opposed to anti-GLARE. That is, the typically 4% of light
> at a lens air surface is reduced to about 1%. This lets more light get
> through and reduces the multiple reflections that might be annoying.
> I find antireflection coatings to be more useful in cameras where the stray
> light can leave a permanent reminder on the picture. For spectacles, you can
> often, but not always, move your head in a way to minimize the annoyance.

So, let me see if I have this straight.

Anti-glare coating keeps light out and decreases the brightness of,
say, a computer monitor.
Anti-glare coating can be purchased in cheap, clip-on form.

Anti-reflection coating allows more light to come in. Thus, if I am
wearing glasses with anti-reflection coating, my glasses reflect less
light towards the people who are looking at me.
So, if I am sitting at a computer, anti-reflection coating will make
the monitor appear brighter than it already appears?


Also, the lenses that I buy will be transition lenses. That is, when
the sun goes up, the glasses become sunglasses. So, on a sunny day, is
anti-glare coating necessary if I have transition lenses? And, as for
anti-reflection coating, will transition lenses and the anti-reflection
coating cancel each other out?


Thanks.


John

 
Old 12-21-2006, 04:06 AM
Salmon Egg
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On 12/20/06 8:06 PM, in article
1166674018.469403.141480[at]48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com, "midwest_46[at]yahoo.com"
<midwest_46[at]yahoo.com> wrote:

- quote -

> Hello. I am a 33-year-old male.
> I need to get a pair of glasses with the prescription -5.00, -5.00 for
> driving, watching movies in a theater, etc. Would it be useful to buy
> lenses that have anti-glare or anti-reflective coating on them?

Antiglare lenses have a polarized coating on them that ideally cuts out a
bit more than half of the light. In addition, it cuts out some reflected
light off of the pavement near what is the Brewster angle. Look that up in
Wikipedia. I personally use CHEAP clip-on polarized glasses for that
purpose.
- quote -

> What exactly does this coating do?
> Also, I may buy another pair of glasses to use as reading glasses.
> These glasses would be used for reading, computer use, etc. Would
> anti-glare or anti-reflective coating be useful for these glasses?
> I have had driving glasses and reading glasses before, and I don't
> think I've ever had anti-glare coating before. I'm not sure, but I
> don't think that not having this coating has been a problem.
> The coating can cost as much as an extra $75 for each pair of glasses.
> So, is the coating worth the price?

Antireflection coatings on glasses are nice but usually not durable. They
are anti-FLARE as opposed to anti-GLARE. That is, the typically 4% of light
at a lens air surface is reduced to about 1%. This lets more light get
through and reduces the multiple reflections that might be annoying.

I find antireflection coatings to be more useful in cameras where the stray
light can leave a permanent reminder on the picture. For spectacles, you can
often, but not always, move your head in a way to minimize the annoyance.
- quote -

> Thanks for any information.
> John

-- Fermez le Bush


 

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