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Old 04-17-2007, 07:37 PM
A.G.McDowell
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In article <YvWdnScrYImShLjbnZ2dnUVZ_tCtnZ2d[at]giganews.com> , Mike Tyner
<mtyner[at]mindspring.com> writes
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> "A.G.McDowell" <mcdowella[at]nospam.co.uk> wrote
> > I would be interested to see scientifically validated information on
> > exactly what factors lead to the prevalence of Myopia that is associated
> > with literacy,
> I would too, but myopia isn't necessarily what the OP meant by "ruining your
> eyes."
> > especially as these days (with cheap high quality LCD
> > displays, reading matter in soft copy, and good lights) we stand a
> > pretty good chance of doing something about it.
> So, as illumination improves we should see less myopia? I don't think it's
> happening.
> -MT
I think that we have the means to change the character of near work, but
we have no validated reason to do so, and little more than a guess as to
what might be a good idea. Therefore little may happen until and unless
somebody runs a study that shows what can be done.

My young nephew reads a lot less than I did at his age. The difference
is partly computer games and partly that my sister can drive him round a
very busy social life. I am told that his classmates also spend a lot
less time reading than my generation did. I will feel cheated if that
generation aren't less prone to myopia than we were, although I don't
know if it will show up in the statistics; with more pressure to perform
well at school, especially on those students who are having trouble
keeping up, I suspect that the variability of the amount of time spent
in near work has reduced, but I have no idea what is happening to the
mean.
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Old 04-17-2007, 07:00 PM
Mike Tyner
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"A.G.McDowell" <mcdowella[at]nospam.co.uk> wrote

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> I would be interested to see scientifically validated information on
> exactly what factors lead to the prevalence of Myopia that is associated
> with literacy,

I would too, but myopia isn't necessarily what the OP meant by "ruining your
eyes."

- quote -

> especially as these days (with cheap high quality LCD
> displays, reading matter in soft copy, and good lights) we stand a
> pretty good chance of doing something about it.

So, as illumination improves we should see less myopia? I don't think it's
happening.

-MT


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Old 04-17-2007, 06:32 PM
A.G.McDowell
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In article <0YGdnWiptJSuQL7bnZ2dnUVZ_oSnnZ2d[at]giganews.com> , Mike Tyner
<mtyner[at]mindspring.com> writes
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> "pavel" <pavel.ferenc[at]seznam.cz> wrote
> > I heard that
> > you ruin your eyes when reading with combined light
> > (tungsten x daylight) more than when reading with the
> > illuminance level dropped a LITTLE bit(not much).
> This is what Bryce Courtenay calls a "Dad Fact," aka "urban legend."
> What makes it a "Dad Fact" is that my Dad used to tell me the same thing -
> "you'll RURN yer EYES if you don't turn on more light. Chopin wrote music by
> candlelight and it purt near BLINDED him."
> No mention of all the other musicians, poets and writers who scribbled away
> by candlelight for several centuries.
> But now that I'm Dad's age, I can see how he'd feel that way. I want lots of
> light too, because I no longer have accommodation to play with.
> > I am clever enough to know that in the darkness itīs better to turn on
> > the lights:-)
> Then you're clever enough to know there's no particular pathology associated
> with reading in dim light. It's a matter of comfort, not disease.
> -MT
I would be interested to see scientifically validated information on
exactly what factors lead to the prevalence of Myopia that is associated
with literacy, especially as these days (with cheap high quality LCD
displays, reading matter in soft copy, and good lights) we stand a
pretty good chance of doing something about it.

In the absence of such information, any difference between pre-literate
and literate conditions stands under suspicion, and near work in dim
light is one such factor. Anybody who has taken photographs indoors
without flash knows that what we call good light indoors is a good deal
dimmer than what we call a dull day outdoors.
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Old 04-16-2007, 08:32 PM
Mike Tyner
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"pavel" <pavel.ferenc[at]seznam.cz> wrote
- quote -

> I heard that
> you ruin your eyes when reading with combined light
> (tungsten x daylight) more than when reading with the
> illuminance level dropped a LITTLE bit(not much).

This is what Bryce Courtenay calls a "Dad Fact," aka "urban legend."

What makes it a "Dad Fact" is that my Dad used to tell me the same thing -
"you'll RURN yer EYES if you don't turn on more light. Chopin wrote music by
candlelight and it purt near BLINDED him."

No mention of all the other musicians, poets and writers who scribbled away
by candlelight for several centuries.

But now that I'm Dad's age, I can see how he'd feel that way. I want lots of
light too, because I no longer have accommodation to play with.

- quote -

> I am clever enough to know that in the darkness itīs better to turn on
> the lights:-)

Then you're clever enough to know there's no particular pathology associated
with reading in dim light. It's a matter of comfort, not disease.

-MT


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Old 04-16-2007, 08:07 PM
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On 14 Apr, 01:41, William Stacy <wst...[at]obase.net> wrote:
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> serebel wrote:
> > When you can't see, turn on the lights. Pretty simple you know.
> Now when he mentioned ambience, I thought he was asking a romantically
> speaking hypothetical. I always recommend you adjust the amount of
> light dependent on just how much detail you might find helpful.
> Obviously, in some situations, bright floodlights are in order, while in
> others, no light at all is a good thing...

thanks,
well, I might not have chosen the right word (ambiance) and also I
forgot to finish the first sentence which thus makes no sense. What I
wanted to say was to ask, if I am not making a misktake if I turn on
the light once the illuminance level drops a little bit instead of
trying not to be lazy and do with the light available. I heard that
you ruin your eyes when reading with combined light (tungsten x
daylight) more than when reading with the illuminance level dropped a
LITTLE bit(not much). I know- who can say whatīs a little, whatīs
much, thatīs why I asked about the THRESHOLD (LX or whatever). Believe
I am clever enough to know that in the darkness itīs better to turn on
the lights:-)
Pavel

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Old 04-14-2007, 04:40 AM
Nicolaas Hawkins
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:41:49 GMT, William Stacy <wstacy[at]obase.net> wrote
in <news:hrVTh.10322$Kd3.3078[at]newssvr27.news.prodigy.net> :

- quote -

> serebel wrote:
> > When you can't see, turn on the lights. Pretty simple you know.
> > > > Now when he mentioned ambience, I thought he was asking a romantically
> speaking hypothetical. I always recommend you adjust the amount of
> light dependent on just how much detail you might find helpful.
> Obviously, in some situations, bright floodlights are in order, while in
> others, no light at all is a good thing...

....whereas in yet others, a tightly-woven hessian sack has a lot to
recommend it.
;-))

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Old 04-14-2007, 12:41 AM
William Stacy
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serebel wrote:

- quote -

> When you can't see, turn on the lights. Pretty simple you know.
Now when he mentioned ambience, I thought he was asking a romantically
speaking hypothetical. I always recommend you adjust the amount of
light dependent on just how much detail you might find helpful.
Obviously, in some situations, bright floodlights are in order, while in
others, no light at all is a good thing...
 
Old 04-14-2007, 12:01 AM
serebel
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When you can't see, turn on the lights. Pretty simple you know.

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Old 04-13-2007, 11:09 PM
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Hello,
I would like to know if itīs true that being in an ambience where
light comming from tungsten bulb/fluorescent lamp and daylight is
combined, in other words- is it a good idea to switch on the lights
when the room illuminance is just a LITTLE (not much) reduced. If not,
can anybody tell the critical illuminance treshold where one should
turn on the lighs.
Thanks Pavel

 

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