Go Back   Earth Vision Correction > Main Category > Vision

 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #13  
Old 04-19-2007, 01:24 AM
Don W
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Prism

On Apr 18, 12:13 am, "Ms.Brainy" <mikabra...[at]gmail.com> wrote:
- quote -

> On Apr 15, 5:00 pm, "Don W" <dwil...[at]prodigy.net> wrote:
> > A pair of cardboard stereo glasses (red and blue filters) plus a
> > white on black Amsler grid may provide you with some insight to your
> > problem.
> > Don W.
> What insight would such items provide and how?

It would allow you to visually determing how far off the eyes are by
your trying to align the two grids. The grid spacing offset and the
distance to the grid would give the subtended angle.

Don W.


Alt 04-19-2007, 01:24 AM
LaSalute.net
ads
 
Standard Sponsored links

  #12  
Old 04-18-2007, 11:11 PM
Mike Tyner
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Prism


"Ms.Brainy" <mikabrainy[at]gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1176882888.376568.239490[at]n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
- quote -

> On Apr 15, 8:05 pm, "Mike Tyner" <mty...[at]mindspring.com> wrote:
> > > It's an indication of phoria, a muscle imbalance that you manage to
> > overcome
> > when both eyes are open.
> If I manage to overcome it, why do I need correction by a prism?

Because right now, one eye is so blurry that it doesn't compete.

- quote -

> I believe that some muscles have been affected by my retinal
> detachment complex surgery (3 hours!). One of the consequences of the
> surgery is a slightly droopy eyelid, which is characteristic to a
> great number of people who undergo the procedure. Of course, this is
> a visible muscle malfunction (no big deal, by the way), but I presume
> that other inner muscles, invisible externally, could be affected as
> well.

That muscle that keeps your lid "perky" has special innervation and it's
seldom affected by the same things that affect the extraocular muscles.

- quote -

> How would it resolve itself if I am stuck with glasses with a prism?

Whether it resolves won't be affected by the prism.

- quote -

> Also, I read that in a cataract surgery the lens often moves slightly
> forward or backward, which is one of the reasons the results are not
> predictable. In this case, there will probably be a change in this
> "phoria" business. Wouldn't it makes more sense then to have the
> prism in the bad eye, which Rx is destined to be changed any way after
> the cat surgery?

Movement of the IOL to or fro might affect the overall sphere power but it
should have little effect on your phoria.

- quote -

> [I hope all these questions make sense... however I am still somewhat
> confused as to the prism, phoria, etc,]

They do, and it's possible that you will have more problems _with_ the prism
than without it. No matter, the refraction should be completed again after
the surgery so you can ask to have the prism re-evaluated at that visit.

-MT


  #11  
Old 04-18-2007, 12:49 PM
Speedskater
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Prism

c-winer[at]hotmail.com wrote:
- quote -

> On Apr 15, 7:00 pm, "Don W" <dwil...[at]prodigy.net> wrote:
> > A pair of cardboard stereo glasses (red and blue filters) plus a
> > white on black Amsler grid may provide you with some insight to your
> > problem.
> > > Don W.
> Where can I find/buy these items?
> winer[at]calumet.purdue.edu
Try:
http://www.sciplus.com/singleItem.cf...egory%20Filter
A cardboard toy for $0.95.
They may have other items.

Kevin
  #10  
Old 04-18-2007, 07:54 AM
Ms.Brainy
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Prism

On Apr 15, 8:05 pm, "Mike Tyner" <mty...[at]mindspring.com> wrote:
- quote -

> It's an indication of phoria, a muscle imbalance that you manage to overcome
> when both eyes are open.

If I manage to overcome it, why do I need correction by a prism?

- quote -

> If you couldn't overcome it, you would see double, at which point it's
> called a "tropia" because fusion is lost.
> There are six muscles attached to each eye, and by "imbalance" we mean that
> one muscle, or group of muscles, is overactive or inadequate, yielding a
> tendency to point in a slightly different direction than optimal. There are
> many causes, usually inferred from which muscle or muscles are involved, and
> quite often requiring no treatment other than compensating prism.

I believe that some muscles have been affected by my retinal
detachment complex surgery (3 hours!). One of the consequences of the
surgery is a slightly droopy eyelid, which is characteristic to a
great number of people who undergo the procedure. Of course, this is
a visible muscle malfunction (no big deal, by the way), but I presume
that other inner muscles, invisible externally, could be affected as
well.
- quote -

> > Could it be that because of the present great
> > disparity between my 2 eyes my brain totally ignores the vision from
> > the bad eye and sees only the good eye image?
> Very likely.
> > Could it be that with correcting my bad eye vision and bringing it
> > closer to the good I (but still with disparity), my brain no longer
> > ignores the bad eye image, resulting in diplopia?
> It's possible and it's a good justification for including prism.
> > Most importantly, do you think that my cataract removal and IOL
> > implant will change this situation?
> Just a guess - 60/40 if you have a vertical phoria now, the surgery won't
> change it. Prettty often they resolve on their own, over time.

How would it resolve itself if I am stuck with glasses with a prism?
Also, I read that in a cataract surgery the lens often moves slightly
forward or backward, which is one of the reasons the results are not
predictable. In this case, there will probably be a change in this
"phoria" business. Wouldn't it makes more sense then to have the
prism in the bad eye, which Rx is destined to be changed any way after
the cat surgery?

[I hope all these questions make sense... however I am still somewhat
confused as to the prism, phoria, etc,]
- quote -

> -MT


  #9  
Old 04-18-2007, 07:13 AM
Ms.Brainy
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Prism

On Apr 15, 5:00 pm, "Don W" <dwil...[at]prodigy.net> wrote:
- quote -

> A pair of cardboard stereo glasses (red and blue filters) plus a
> white on black Amsler grid may provide you with some insight to your
> problem.
> Don W.

What insight would such items provide and how?

  #8  
Old 04-18-2007, 05:11 AM
Don W
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Prism

On Apr 17, 6:14 pm, c-wi...[at]hotmail.com wrote:
- quote -

> On Apr 15, 7:00 pm, "Don W" <dwil...[at]prodigy.net> wrote:
> > A pair of cardboard stereo glasses (red and blue filters) plus a
> > white on black Amsler grid may provide you with some insight to your
> > problem.
> > Don W.
> Where can I find/buy these items?
> w...[at]calumet.purdue.edu

You might try a Google search on:

red blue stereo glasses

Don W.


  #7  
Old 04-18-2007, 01:14 AM
c-winer@hotmail.com
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Prism

On Apr 15, 7:00 pm, "Don W" <dwil...[at]prodigy.net> wrote:
- quote -

> A pair of cardboard stereo glasses (red and blue filters) plus a
> white on black Amsler grid may provide you with some insight to your
> problem.
> Don W.

Where can I find/buy these items?

winer[at]calumet.purdue.edu

  #6  
Old 04-16-2007, 03:05 AM
Mike Tyner
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Prism


"Ms.Brainy" <mikabrainy[at]gmail.com> wrote

- quote -

> myopia in the bad eye) I have no dilopia, to the best of my judgment,
> despite the great disparity between my eyes. However, the optometrist
> showed me 2 squares which didn't seem to me to be on the same level
> (first horizontally and then vertically), and he moved them till I saw
> them on the same level. Was this an indication of diplopia?

It's an indication of phoria, a muscle imbalance that you manage to overcome
when both eyes are open.

If you couldn't overcome it, you would see double, at which point it's
called a "tropia" because fusion is lost.

There are six muscles attached to each eye, and by "imbalance" we mean that
one muscle, or group of muscles, is overactive or inadequate, yielding a
tendency to point in a slightly different direction than optimal. There are
many causes, usually inferred from which muscle or muscles are involved, and
quite often requiring no treatment other than compensating prism.

- quote -

> exist naturally. According to him our brain routinely ignores
> unwanted images.

Indeed it does - even with one eye, when you focus on a very close object,
you're usually unaware that the background is blurry.

- quote -

> Could it be that because of the present great
> disparity between my 2 eyes my brain totally ignores the vision from
> the bad eye and sees only the good eye image?

Very likely.

- quote -

> Could it be that with correcting my bad eye vision and bringing it
> closer to the good I (but still with disparity), my brain no longer
> ignores the bad eye image, resulting in diplopia?

It's possible and it's a good justification for including prism.

- quote -

> Also, in my exam both the vertical and the horizontal didn't appear to
> me to be on the same level, however the OD prescribed only vertical
> prism. How come?

You have considerable reserves for compensating horizontally, so it takes a
lot of horizontal deviation to produce diplopia. By contrast, it only takes
a half-prism-diopter in the vertical direction to make some people complain.

- quote -

> Most importantly, do you think that my cataract removal and IOL
> implant will change this situation?

Just a guess - 60/40 if you have a vertical phoria now, the surgery won't
change it. Prettty often they resolve on their own, over time.

-MT


  #5  
Old 04-16-2007, 12:00 AM
Don W
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Prism

A pair of cardboard stereo glasses (red and blue filters) plus a
white on black Amsler grid may provide you with some insight to your
problem.

Don W.





  #4  
Old 04-15-2007, 08:33 PM
Ms.Brainy
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Prism

On Apr 15, 4:10 am, "Mike Tyner" <mty...[at]mindspring.com> wrote:
- quote -

> Vertical prism is used when one eye wants to point higher than the other due
> to muscle imbalance. Usually it's to resolve vertical diplopia.
> For that purpose, it doesn't matter which eye carries the prism .. 3 BD in
> one eye is equivalent to 3 BU in the other. "BD" means "base down," and BU
> means base up.
> 3 BD adds thickness at the bottom of the lens, and it's better to put the
> additional thickness on the thinner lens, ergo the left.
> -MT

Thanks for the information. This prism really scares me. Presently
(with the cataract and my old glasses that hardly fit my increased
myopia in the bad eye) I have no dilopia, to the best of my judgment,
despite the great disparity between my eyes. However, the optometrist
showed me 2 squares which didn't seem to me to be on the same level
(first horizontally and then vertically), and he moved them till I saw
them on the same level. Was this an indication of diplopia?

I have read an interesting article (actually several articles) by Dr.
William Maloney, in which he contends that our brain naturally
hardwired for monovision, as opposed to multivision that does not
exist naturally. According to him our brain routinely ignores
unwanted images. Could it be that because of the present great
disparity between my 2 eyes my brain totally ignores the vision from
the bad eye and sees only the good eye image? [BTW, the only time my
bad eye seems to interfere is when driving at night or looking at
lights, due to the thick cataract.]
Could it be that with correcting my bad eye vision and bringing it
closer to the good I (but still with disparity), my brain no longer
ignores the bad eye image, resulting in diplopia?

MT, you stated that diplopia is due to muscle imbalance. Which
muscle? Can there be any other reason, e,g, the disparity between the
eyes?

Also, in my exam both the vertical and the horizontal didn't appear to
me to be on the same level, however the OD prescribed only vertical
prism. How come?

Most importantly, do you think that my cataract removal and IOL
implant will change this situation?

 

Tags
prism
Similar Threads
Thread Forum Replies Last Post
Prism Needed
Simon Dean: Hi, Just been to the optician today... they want me to pay £58 to have some new lenses made, when my old glasses (OK, they were without PRISM -...
Vision 15 11-29-2005 09:33 AM
Prism correction
Charles: I've posted a few times on here about how I'm currently doing vision therapy. I'm having some sort of eye teaming/convergence problem, and the doc...
Vision 16 11-25-2005 10:59 PM
prism
gpm119@shaw.ca: What exaxtly is a prism and how does it work
Vision 1 04-01-2005 02:52 AM
Prism
Brian Smith: I have just added 5D of base out prism to my current rx of +2.5 with +3.25 progressive. I am 48 year old and have no problems wearing this...
Vision 1 02-10-2005 04:58 PM



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

All times are GMT. The time now is 04:18 PM.