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| On Apr 18, 12:13 am, "Ms.Brainy" <mikabra...[at]gmail.com> wrote: - quote - > On Apr 15, 5:00 pm, "Don W" <dwil...[at]prodigy.net> wrote:
It would allow you to visually determing how far off the eyes are by> > A pair of cardboard stereo glasses (red and blue filters) plus a > > white on black Amsler grid may provide you with some insight to your > > problem. > > Don W. > What insight would such items provide and how? your trying to align the two grids. The grid spacing offset and the distance to the grid would give the subtended angle. Don W. |
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| "Ms.Brainy" <mikabrainy[at]gmail.com> wrote in message news:1176882888.376568.239490[at]n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... - quote - > On Apr 15, 8:05 pm, "Mike Tyner" <mty...[at]mindspring.com> wrote:
Because right now, one eye is so blurry that it doesn't compete.> > > It's an indication of phoria, a muscle imbalance that you manage to > > overcome > > when both eyes are open. > If I manage to overcome it, why do I need correction by a prism? - quote - > I believe that some muscles have been affected by my retinal
That muscle that keeps your lid "perky" has special innervation and it's> detachment complex surgery (3 hours!). One of the consequences of the > surgery is a slightly droopy eyelid, which is characteristic to a > great number of people who undergo the procedure. Of course, this is > a visible muscle malfunction (no big deal, by the way), but I presume > that other inner muscles, invisible externally, could be affected as > well. seldom affected by the same things that affect the extraocular muscles. - quote - > How would it resolve itself if I am stuck with glasses with a prism?
Whether it resolves won't be affected by the prism.- quote - > Also, I read that in a cataract surgery the lens often moves slightly
Movement of the IOL to or fro might affect the overall sphere power but it> forward or backward, which is one of the reasons the results are not > predictable. In this case, there will probably be a change in this > "phoria" business. Wouldn't it makes more sense then to have the > prism in the bad eye, which Rx is destined to be changed any way after > the cat surgery? should have little effect on your phoria. - quote - > [I hope all these questions make sense... however I am still somewhat
They do, and it's possible that you will have more problems _with_ the prism> confused as to the prism, phoria, etc,] than without it. No matter, the refraction should be completed again after the surgery so you can ask to have the prism re-evaluated at that visit. -MT |
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| c-winer[at]hotmail.com wrote: - quote - > On Apr 15, 7:00 pm, "Don W" <dwil...[at]prodigy.net> wrote: http://www.sciplus.com/singleItem.cf...egory%20Filter> > A pair of cardboard stereo glasses (red and blue filters) plus a > > white on black Amsler grid may provide you with some insight to your > > problem. > > > Don W. > Where can I find/buy these items? > winer[at]calumet.purdue.edu Try: A cardboard toy for $0.95. They may have other items. Kevin |
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| On Apr 15, 8:05 pm, "Mike Tyner" <mty...[at]mindspring.com> wrote: - quote - > It's an indication of phoria, a muscle imbalance that you manage to overcome
If I manage to overcome it, why do I need correction by a prism?> when both eyes are open. - quote - > If you couldn't overcome it, you would see double, at which point it's
I believe that some muscles have been affected by my retinal> called a "tropia" because fusion is lost. > There are six muscles attached to each eye, and by "imbalance" we mean that > one muscle, or group of muscles, is overactive or inadequate, yielding a > tendency to point in a slightly different direction than optimal. There are > many causes, usually inferred from which muscle or muscles are involved, and > quite often requiring no treatment other than compensating prism. detachment complex surgery (3 hours!). One of the consequences of the surgery is a slightly droopy eyelid, which is characteristic to a great number of people who undergo the procedure. Of course, this is a visible muscle malfunction (no big deal, by the way), but I presume that other inner muscles, invisible externally, could be affected as well. - quote - > > Could it be that because of the present great
How would it resolve itself if I am stuck with glasses with a prism?> > disparity between my 2 eyes my brain totally ignores the vision from > > the bad eye and sees only the good eye image? > Very likely. > > Could it be that with correcting my bad eye vision and bringing it > > closer to the good I (but still with disparity), my brain no longer > > ignores the bad eye image, resulting in diplopia? > It's possible and it's a good justification for including prism. > > Most importantly, do you think that my cataract removal and IOL > > implant will change this situation? > Just a guess - 60/40 if you have a vertical phoria now, the surgery won't > change it. Prettty often they resolve on their own, over time. Also, I read that in a cataract surgery the lens often moves slightly forward or backward, which is one of the reasons the results are not predictable. In this case, there will probably be a change in this "phoria" business. Wouldn't it makes more sense then to have the prism in the bad eye, which Rx is destined to be changed any way after the cat surgery? [I hope all these questions make sense... however I am still somewhat confused as to the prism, phoria, etc,] - quote - > -MT |
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| On Apr 15, 5:00 pm, "Don W" <dwil...[at]prodigy.net> wrote: - quote - > A pair of cardboard stereo glasses (red and blue filters) plus a
What insight would such items provide and how?> white on black Amsler grid may provide you with some insight to your > problem. > Don W. |
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| On Apr 17, 6:14 pm, c-wi...[at]hotmail.com wrote: - quote - > On Apr 15, 7:00 pm, "Don W" <dwil...[at]prodigy.net> wrote:
You might try a Google search on:> > A pair of cardboard stereo glasses (red and blue filters) plus a > > white on black Amsler grid may provide you with some insight to your > > problem. > > Don W. > Where can I find/buy these items? > w...[at]calumet.purdue.edu red blue stereo glasses Don W. |
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| On Apr 15, 7:00 pm, "Don W" <dwil...[at]prodigy.net> wrote: - quote - > A pair of cardboard stereo glasses (red and blue filters) plus a
Where can I find/buy these items?> white on black Amsler grid may provide you with some insight to your > problem. > Don W. winer[at]calumet.purdue.edu |
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| "Ms.Brainy" <mikabrainy[at]gmail.com> wrote - quote - > myopia in the bad eye) I have no dilopia, to the best of my judgment,
It's an indication of phoria, a muscle imbalance that you manage to overcome> despite the great disparity between my eyes. However, the optometrist > showed me 2 squares which didn't seem to me to be on the same level > (first horizontally and then vertically), and he moved them till I saw > them on the same level. Was this an indication of diplopia? when both eyes are open. If you couldn't overcome it, you would see double, at which point it's called a "tropia" because fusion is lost. There are six muscles attached to each eye, and by "imbalance" we mean that one muscle, or group of muscles, is overactive or inadequate, yielding a tendency to point in a slightly different direction than optimal. There are many causes, usually inferred from which muscle or muscles are involved, and quite often requiring no treatment other than compensating prism. - quote - > exist naturally. According to him our brain routinely ignores
Indeed it does - even with one eye, when you focus on a very close object,> unwanted images. you're usually unaware that the background is blurry. - quote - > Could it be that because of the present great
Very likely.> disparity between my 2 eyes my brain totally ignores the vision from > the bad eye and sees only the good eye image? - quote - > Could it be that with correcting my bad eye vision and bringing it
It's possible and it's a good justification for including prism.> closer to the good I (but still with disparity), my brain no longer > ignores the bad eye image, resulting in diplopia? - quote - > Also, in my exam both the vertical and the horizontal didn't appear to
You have considerable reserves for compensating horizontally, so it takes a> me to be on the same level, however the OD prescribed only vertical > prism. How come? lot of horizontal deviation to produce diplopia. By contrast, it only takes a half-prism-diopter in the vertical direction to make some people complain. - quote - > Most importantly, do you think that my cataract removal and IOL
Just a guess - 60/40 if you have a vertical phoria now, the surgery won't> implant will change this situation? change it. Prettty often they resolve on their own, over time. -MT |
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| A pair of cardboard stereo glasses (red and blue filters) plus a white on black Amsler grid may provide you with some insight to your problem. Don W. |
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| On Apr 15, 4:10 am, "Mike Tyner" <mty...[at]mindspring.com> wrote: - quote - > Vertical prism is used when one eye wants to point higher than the other due
Thanks for the information. This prism really scares me. Presently> to muscle imbalance. Usually it's to resolve vertical diplopia. > For that purpose, it doesn't matter which eye carries the prism .. 3 BD in > one eye is equivalent to 3 BU in the other. "BD" means "base down," and BU > means base up. > 3 BD adds thickness at the bottom of the lens, and it's better to put the > additional thickness on the thinner lens, ergo the left. > -MT (with the cataract and my old glasses that hardly fit my increased myopia in the bad eye) I have no dilopia, to the best of my judgment, despite the great disparity between my eyes. However, the optometrist showed me 2 squares which didn't seem to me to be on the same level (first horizontally and then vertically), and he moved them till I saw them on the same level. Was this an indication of diplopia? I have read an interesting article (actually several articles) by Dr. William Maloney, in which he contends that our brain naturally hardwired for monovision, as opposed to multivision that does not exist naturally. According to him our brain routinely ignores unwanted images. Could it be that because of the present great disparity between my 2 eyes my brain totally ignores the vision from the bad eye and sees only the good eye image? [BTW, the only time my bad eye seems to interfere is when driving at night or looking at lights, due to the thick cataract.] Could it be that with correcting my bad eye vision and bringing it closer to the good I (but still with disparity), my brain no longer ignores the bad eye image, resulting in diplopia? MT, you stated that diplopia is due to muscle imbalance. Which muscle? Can there be any other reason, e,g, the disparity between the eyes? Also, in my exam both the vertical and the horizontal didn't appear to me to be on the same level, however the OD prescribed only vertical prism. How come? Most importantly, do you think that my cataract removal and IOL implant will change this situation? |
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