Dr. Bates' Treatment Regarding 'Clear Flashes' and Neuroplasticity

#15 06-30-2007, 05:13 AM

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 20:54:28 -0700, "otisbrown[at]pa.net"
<otisbrown[at]pa.net> wrote:

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> I do believe that you're the only one who tends to "blame" [sic] OD's
> for anything. There's near unanimity that they're quite caring and
> helpful.
> Otis> Sorry, Neil, that you get so MANY thing WRONG.

Start naming them ... after you answer these questions, please:

www.nbeener.com/NDB_OSB_Qs.txt

How's your niece, Joy's, myopia doing? She never wore a minus ... DID
wear a plus ... and has a restricted driver's license, now, doesn't
she?

Thought so.

#14 06-30-2007, 04:22 AM

On Jun 29, 11:54 pm, "otisbr...[at]pa.net" <otisbr...[at]pa.net> wrote:
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> I do believe that you're the only one who tends to "blame" [sic] OD's
> for anything. There's near unanimity that they're quite caring and
> helpful.
> Otis> Sorry, Neil, that you get so MANY thing WRONG. I agree, in
> the context of Dr. Raphaelson's statements that you are correct
> about the majority-opinion OD. IF they would restrict their
> statements to ONLY 'servicing' THE GENERAL PUBLIC that
> EXPECTS very, VERY shapr vision is a short period of time.
> Otis> But that is a very limited point-of-view concenring the
> real and PROVEN dynamic behavior of the fundamental
> eye.
> Otis> Obviously OPINIONs vary on this subject. That is why
> you call then the MAJORITY-opinion.
> Otis
> On Jun 29, 12:36 am, Neil Brooks <neil0...[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:25:37 -0700, "otisbr...[at]pa.net"
> > <otisbr...[at]pa.net> wrote:
> > > Dear William,
> > Newsflash: I'm pretty sure that "William" thinks you're insane, too.
> > > Subject: The great Alex Eulenberg vs. David Granet debate
> > > Yes, Alex started his own group at:
> > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/i-see/
> > > The debate which ran for several years led to no
> > > conclusion, only the idea that a second-opinion
> > > would be wise, but that no further actions were to be taken.
> > Only in your demented mind, Uncle Otie.
> > > It seems that people love to sit on their duff and do
> > > nothing, and bame the majority-opinion ODs who
> > > is only making it sharp in five minutes.
> > I do believe that you're the only one who tends to "bame" [sic] OD's
> > for anything. There's near unanimity that they're quite caring and
> > helpful.
> > > I mean, why bother with preventive methods at all.
> > Good point.
> > Didn't do anything for your niece, Joy Benson, now did they?
> > But preventive methods that ACTUALLY WORK ... now THERE's something to
> > pursue.

Otis > raphaelson blah blah blah

Otis > second-opinion blah blah blah

Otis > stirling colgate blah blah blah

Otis > prevention works, just believe me, just try harder, blah blah
blah

Otis > natural fundamental eye blah blah blah

Otis > I'm just like Galileo (maybe Van Gogh) blah blah blah

is anyone listening? does anyone care about me as much as I do?

#13 06-30-2007, 03:54 AM

I do believe that you're the only one who tends to "blame" [sic] OD's
for anything. There's near unanimity that they're quite caring and
helpful.

Otis> Sorry, Neil, that you get so MANY thing WRONG. I agree, in
the context of Dr. Raphaelson's statements that you are correct
about the majority-opinion OD. IF they would restrict their
statements to ONLY 'servicing' THE GENERAL PUBLIC that
EXPECTS very, VERY shapr vision is a short period of time.

Otis> But that is a very limited point-of-view concenring the
real and PROVEN dynamic behavior of the fundamental
eye.

Otis> Obviously OPINIONs vary on this subject. That is why
you call then the MAJORITY-opinion.

Otis

On Jun 29, 12:36 am, Neil Brooks <neil0...[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
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> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:25:37 -0700, "otisbr...[at]pa.net"
> <otisbr...[at]pa.net> wrote:
> > Dear William,
> Newsflash: I'm pretty sure that "William" thinks you're insane, too.
> > Subject: The great Alex Eulenberg vs. David Granet debate
> > Yes, Alex started his own group at:
> > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/i-see/
> > The debate which ran for several years led to no
> > conclusion, only the idea that a second-opinion
> > would be wise, but that no further actions were to be taken.
> Only in your demented mind, Uncle Otie.
> > It seems that people love to sit on their duff and do
> > nothing, and bame the majority-opinion ODs who
> > is only making it sharp in five minutes.
> I do believe that you're the only one who tends to "bame" [sic] OD's
> for anything. There's near unanimity that they're quite caring and
> helpful.
> > I mean, why bother with preventive methods at all.
> Good point.
> Didn't do anything for your niece, Joy Benson, now did they?
> But preventive methods that ACTUALLY WORK ... now THERE's something to
> pursue.

#12 06-29-2007, 04:36 AM

On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:25:37 -0700, "otisbrown[at]pa.net"
<otisbrown[at]pa.net> wrote:

- quote -

> Dear William,

Newsflash: I'm pretty sure that "William" thinks you're insane, too.

- quote -

> Subject: The great Alex Eulenberg vs. David Granet debate
> Yes, Alex started his own group at:
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/i-see/
> The debate which ran for several years led to no
> conclusion, only the idea that a second-opinion
> would be wise, but that no further actions were to be taken.

Only in your demented mind, Uncle Otie.

- quote -

> It seems that people love to sit on their duff and do
> nothing, and bame the majority-opinion ODs who
> is only making it sharp in five minutes.

I do believe that you're the only one who tends to "bame" [sic] OD's
for anything. There's near unanimity that they're quite caring and
helpful.

- quote -

> I mean, why bother with preventive methods at all.

Good point.

Didn't do anything for your niece, Joy Benson, now did they?

But preventive methods that ACTUALLY WORK ... now THERE's something to
pursue.

#11 06-29-2007, 03:42 AM

On Jun 28, 10:25 pm, "otisbr...[at]pa.net" <otisbr...[at]pa.net> wrote:
- quote -

> Dear William,
> Subject: The great Alex Eulenberg vs. David Granet debate
> Yes, Alex started his own group at:
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/i-see/

i went to school at IU. got two doctoral degrees from there. alex is
indeed "well-known" there.

and it looks like the i-see discussion group's content has improved
somewhat now compared to the quality of postings there a few years
ago.

- quote -

> The debate which ran for several years led to no
> conclusion, only the idea that a second-opinion
> would be wise, but that no further actions were to be taken.

there was no such conclusion. the conclusion was that intelligent,
level-headed people just gave up trying to make sense to someone who's
mind is already made up and who's perception of reality is something
like the next episode of the X-Files.

- quote -

> It seems that people love to sit on their duff and do
> nothing, and bame the majority-opinion ODs who
> is only making it sharp in five minutes.

well you have to be crowned the chief of the duff-sitters Otis! you
spend your day just posting and reposting the same old verbage over
and over again where ever anyone lets you. you take no time to read,
learn or listen. you just write over and over again "this is what I
think", "this is what I think" blah blah blah. once someone points
out a logical fallacy in your thinking or asks you to explain yourself
in light of proof against you, you just disappear.

the internet is great isn't it Otis-- no accountability for being
wrong! Just out of arms reach. Right?

- quote -

> I mean, why bother with preventive methods at all.

agreed. none of them work so why pretend that they do. But maybe if
we just "try harder" then the impossible will happen, right? maybe if
we rub our shoes together and try real hard we'll make it to Kansas--
right Otis?

#10 06-29-2007, 02:38 AM

In article <1183083937.755097.66900[at]u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> ,
"otisbrown[at]pa.net" <otisbrown[at]pa.net> wrote:

- quote -

> Dear William,
> Subject: The great Alex Eulenberg vs. David Granet debate
> Yes, Alex started his own group at:
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/i-see/
> The debate which ran for several years led to no
> conclusion, only the idea that a second-opinion
> would be wise, but that no further actions were to be taken.

I suspect that the participants might disagree on your idea.

- quote -

> It seems that people love to sit on their duff and do
> nothing, and bame the majority-opinion ODs who
> is only making it sharp in five minutes.
> I mean, why bother with preventive methods at all.
> Otis
> On Jun 28, 5:13 pm, William Stacy <wst...[at]obase.net> wrote:

#9 06-29-2007, 02:25 AM

Dear William,

Subject: The great Alex Eulenberg vs. David Granet debate

Yes, Alex started his own group at:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/i-see/

The debate which ran for several years led to no
conclusion, only the idea that a second-opinion
would be wise, but that no further actions were to be taken.

It seems that people love to sit on their duff and do
nothing, and bame the majority-opinion ODs who
is only making it sharp in five minutes.

I mean, why bother with preventive methods at all.

Otis

On Jun 28, 5:13 pm, William Stacy <wst...[at]obase.net> wrote:
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> So are you not the "original" Alex Eulenberg? from 10-15 years ago here
> on s.m.v.?
> As I recall, that Alex had a position at I think it was Indiana
> University, maybe in the math dept? Anyway, are you not that Alex?
> Your posts seem very reminiscent of his. He also started a listserver
> of some type that used the name I-See or something like that.
> w.stacy, o.d.
> Alex Eulenberg wrote:
> > As I understand it, another Alex used to post here. -- but my name is
> > Alex Eulenberg.
> > And yes, I do know a number of Alex Eulenbergs...
> > So, uhh... if you wouldn't mind, eh?- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -

#8 06-28-2007, 09:42 PM

On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 21:13:28 GMT, William Stacy <wstacy[at]obase.netwrote:

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> So are you not the "original" Alex Eulenberg? from 10-15 years ago here
> on s.m.v.?
> As I recall, that Alex had a position at I think it was Indiana
> University, maybe in the math dept? Anyway, are you not that Alex?
> Your posts seem very reminiscent of his. He also started a listserver
> of some type that used the name I-See or something like that.
> w.stacy, o.d.

No, Doc. I don't think this is the real Alex.

This is some English kid (absolutelyinvincible[at]hotmail.com) who goes
by quite a few aliases (Zetsu, Sashime, Kazekage, WH Bates, Atchoo, et
al).

He's basically sad that people are--in his view--attacking Otis, so he
tries to come to Otis's defense.

#7 06-28-2007, 09:13 PM

So are you not the "original" Alex Eulenberg? from 10-15 years ago here
on s.m.v.?

As I recall, that Alex had a position at I think it was Indiana
University, maybe in the math dept? Anyway, are you not that Alex?
Your posts seem very reminiscent of his. He also started a listserver
of some type that used the name I-See or something like that.

w.stacy, o.d.

Alex Eulenberg wrote:

- quote -

> As I understand it, another Alex used to post here. -- but my name is
> Alex Eulenberg.
> And yes, I do know a number of Alex Eulenbergs...
> So, uhh... if you wouldn't mind, eh?

#6 06-27-2007, 11:14 PM

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> As I understand it, another Alex used to post here. -- but my name is
> Alex Eulenberg.

What a coincident! HaBiDoo!
Also coincidentally, the post was deleted from sci.med.vision.
This world is full of miraculous coincidents, praise Hiroshimo!

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