Alex Eulenberg - DNA match for Otis??

#23 08-02-2007, 08:49 AM

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> I think actually you just did not like my reply, that you are angry,
> but cannot see that anger so clearly and yet it drives you to
> action.

Yeah, that's a pretty accurate summary of Neil.

#22 08-02-2007, 06:14 AM

On Aug 2, 2:40 am, Neil Brooks <neil0...[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
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> On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 00:32:18 -0700, andrewedwardj...[at]hotmail.com
> wrote:
> > On Aug 1, 3:04 am, Neil Brooks <neil0...[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Maybe it's ALSO time for you to have your medications adjusted.
> > Neil
> > You are sinking pretty low here.
> I'm deadly serious. Hand his posting history to a panel of
> psychiatrists. He's far from okay.
> > How does this carnival benefit you?
> Well ... the odds are that it will "benefit" SOMEBODY more than
> anything that YOU are about to add.
> Take care, Andrew. Buh-bye.

Neil

You are not being clear here it seems to me.

Do you really believe that NOTHING i say can benefit ANYBODY?

I think actually you just did not like my reply, that you are angry,
but cannot see that anger so clearly and yet it drives you to
action.

I ask again how does it benefit *you* to be responding to people like
this?

I think you need to think a bit about the consequences to your own
health.

Andrew

#21 08-01-2007, 03:36 PM

Oh please, Neil -- shut up for once.

#20 08-01-2007, 03:03 PM

Before you go, Andrew (et al), take a look at this one. With any
LUCK, you'll see what I think is so spectacular about it...
<----

Alex:
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> > You misread what Rehm said. I have pointed this out to you again and
> > again.

Neil:
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> I'll quote it again. Perhaps you can enlighten me. Or ... perhaps
> not.
> " if we converge without accommodating the appropriate amount,
> or if we accommodate without converging the appropriate amount,
> problems can develop for this small percentage of children such as eye
> fatigue, double vision, or other types of fusion problems. That is,
> the two images can no longer be fused together without discomfort.
> Normal binocular vision is interfered with."
> That's Rehm. Pretty basic stuff.
> WITHOUT trying to interpret Rehm to suit your purpose (changing his
> words OR the MEANING of his
> words), please enlighten me.

Here you go...

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> From: "Don"
> Date: July 15, 2007 7:50:42 AM PDT
> To: "Alex Eulenberg"
> Subject: Re: Can you clarify this statement on "double vision"?
> I believe that those few people with weak convergence might have
> temporary double vision when using a strong plus. The reason is
> that there is no longer any accommodation to assist convergence.
> Also called exophoria? Of course, it goes away when the plus is
> discontinued. I never heard that it is permanent. And I believe
> that such people can be helped by some form of vision training to
> strengthen convergence. However, there are millions of older folks
> who use a strong plus add and they don't see double. When it is a
> problem, the plus lenses can be decentered toward the nose. In bad
> cases, the Myopter is available. Don

Looking forward to your retraction.

--Alex

-----
Can anybody who reads this tell me who would owe a retraction to whom,
and why?

It's just a little quiz ... to help differentiate between those of
faith and those of reason.

Otis? Care to weigh in here? It's rather similar to my illustrious
question:

7. You claim to have known Donald Rehm, the founder of the
International Myopia Prevention Association, for some decades. I
presume that you are familiar with his FDA petition. In it, Mr. Rehm
states:

" if we converge without accommodating the appropriate amount,
or if we accommodate without converging the appropriate amount,
problems can develop for this small percentage of children such as eye
fatigue, double vision, or other types of fusion problems. That is,
the two images can no longer be fused together without discomfort.
Normal binocular vision is interfered with."

Is there a valid reason why you have not attempted to make people
aware of these SERIOUS risks of unprescribed plus lenses?

#19 08-01-2007, 02:40 PM

On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 00:32:18 -0700, andrewedwardjudd[at]hotmail.com
wrote:

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> On Aug 1, 3:04 am, Neil Brooks <neil0...[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Maybe it's ALSO time for you to have your medications adjusted.
> > Neil
> You are sinking pretty low here.

I'm deadly serious. Hand his posting history to a panel of
psychiatrists. He's far from okay.

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> How does this carnival benefit you?

Well ... the odds are that it will "benefit" SOMEBODY more than
anything that YOU are about to add.

Take care, Andrew. Buh-bye.

#18 08-01-2007, 11:12 AM

On Aug 1, 8:32 am, andrewedwardj...[at]hotmail.com wrote:
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> On Aug 1, 3:04 am, Neil Brooks <neil0...[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Maybe it's ALSO time for you to have your medications adjusted.
> Neil
> You are sinking pretty low here.
> How does this carnival benefit you?
> Perhaps there is a relationship to your own behaviour and the
> relatively serious eye problems you are suffering from? There is
> a well documented relationship in the literature for at least parts of
> your eye condition involving accommodation and factors that might not
> be so obvious.
> How about just taking a more easier attitude and just allow a bit of
> live and let live?
> I suggest you go ride your bike or go skating and do something a bit
> more productive with all of this energy that you have that at the
> moment seems to be destroying you as much as it destroys anybody else.
> Andrew

Well said!

#17 08-01-2007, 11:05 AM

On Aug 1, 8:32 am, andrewedwardj...[at]hotmail.com wrote:
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> On Aug 1, 3:04 am, Neil Brooks <neil0...[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Maybe it's ALSO time for you to have your medications adjusted.
> Neil
> You are sinking pretty low here.
> How does this carnival benefit you?
> Perhaps there is a relationship to your own behaviour and the
> relatively serious eye problems you are suffering from? There is
> a well documented relationship in the literature for at least parts of
> your eye condition involving accommodation and factors that might not
> be so obvious.
> How about just taking a more easier attitude and just allow a bit of
> live and let live?
> I suggest you go ride your bike or go skating and do something a bit
> more productive with all of this energy that you have that at the
> moment seems to be destroying you as much as it destroys anybody else.
> Andrew

Bravo.

#16 08-01-2007, 07:32 AM

On Aug 1, 3:04 am, Neil Brooks <neil0...[at]yahoo.com> wrote:

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> Maybe it's ALSO time for you to have your medications adjusted.

Neil

You are sinking pretty low here.

How does this carnival benefit you?

Perhaps there is a relationship to your own behaviour and the
relatively serious eye problems you are suffering from? There is
a well documented relationship in the literature for at least parts of
your eye condition involving accommodation and factors that might not
be so obvious.

How about just taking a more easier attitude and just allow a bit of
live and let live?

I suggest you go ride your bike or go skating and do something a bit
more productive with all of this energy that you have that at the
moment seems to be destroying you as much as it destroys anybody else.

Andrew

#15 07-31-2007, 08:00 PM

Hi,

Alex is actually a very good friend of mine, in fact you might say we
are related... I look up to him as my big brother. So, please refrain
from these hurtful comments directed towards him, because it is not
nice.

#14 07-31-2007, 07:55 PM

Hi,

Alex is actually a very good friend of mine, in fact you might say we
are related... So, please refrain from these hurtful comments directed
towards him, because it is not nice.

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