I've become a person at which a handful of people who had a bad Lasik
outcome have decided to direct their ire. Their attacks include lying
about my financial history, insulting my wife, publishing my personal
identity including Social Security number, bank account numbers,
credit card numbers on their bulletin boards, defamation, trademark
infringement, listing doctors we have not certified as recommended,
harassing those who fund and govern our nonprofit organization, and
often doing this while hiding behind false identities and multiple
aliases.

Considering the work I do to advocate for Lasik patients and the
nonprofit patient advocacy I founded, their acts seem to have no logic
or reason. Even stranger is the fact that these people did not seek
our information before surgery and did not use doctors certified by
our organization, but you can't use logic and reason on illogical and
unreasonable people.

The outrageous accusations, manipulations, half-truths, outright lies,
false complaints, and attacks on me and others by these anti-Lasik
zealots have caused them some serious trouble.

One recently had the FBI show up at his door investigating an alleged
extortion attempt against his former surgeon and had previously been
charged with felony use of false identity and resisting arrest.
Another has the Attorney General investigating her for publicizing my
personal identity including Social Security number on her website. Her
employer is investigating how her access to federal secure computer
systems was used to publish defamation on the Internet, and she uses
so many aliases it is hard to keep up. Another has a permanent
restraining order against him for threatening Dallas Lasik doctor
William Boothe, MD with physical violence, has been sued for
defamation, lost, found in contempt of court and sentenced to jail
(fled state), is in bankruptcy, cyber-pirated our organization's
trademark domain, plus I'm personally suing him for defamation and
invasion of privacy in California Superior Court.

Rather than copy and pasting the details again and again, just Google:

Brent Hanson
http://tinyurl.com/yrjayg

Lauranell "Nell" Burch
http://tinyurl.com/2y74l7

Dean Andrew Kantis
http://tinyurl.com/2zf3qa

Or you can stop by my personal website:
http://www.GlennHagele.com

For those who would like to form their own opinion about the work I do
and the organization I founded, visit our website and/or our Lasik
Patient Forum listed below my signature.

Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes (TM)
Patient Advocacy Surgeon Certification

"Consider and Choose With Confidence" (TM)

Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org

http://www.USAEyes.org

Lasik Bulletin Board
http://www.USAEyes.org/Ask-Lasik-Expert/

I am not a doctor.

Copyright 2007
All Rights Reserved

On Aug 16, 2:29 pm, RT <RTM...[at]NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
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most definitely. boycott ALL spammers!

and I'm not sure that recommending anyone to come to the US so they
can be overcharged would be too helpful anyway since there is good
healthcare in a lot of countries.

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good for you.

On Aug 16, 3:05 am, "Churie." <Sureshvatul...[at]gmail.com> wrote:
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Hello Gang:

Be very careful of Glenn Hagele and his advice...Here are some
references that you may want to read on Hagele:

http://lasikflap.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=21

(if you doubt any of this to be true, or in the opinions of many hurt
lasik patients that Hagele has tried to blackmail, then please contact
any of the hurt lasik patients because most of them have websites
warning you of Glenn Hagele)

Be very, very careful as some of the people on line who are giving you
advice certainly are not doctors and should not be. Some of these
same people, are getting kick backs or commissions from lying lasik
doctors to funnel patients their way. I have an investigation with
several US departments that are checking into this and posing as hurt
patients to verify the fraud attempts. Again, be very careful...these
are YOUR eyes and you can NOT afford one mistake!

Why do I care? Very simply put, I now understand how corrupt lying
lasik doctors can be first hand. Many/most will lie to you in order
to take your money and believe it or not, once you sign the Informed
Consent form, these lying lasik doctors KNOW that you won't win in a
courtroom even if you were hurt by their negligence...That is just the
tip of the iceburg and I'll leave it at that!

I operate a website called: www.LifeAfterLasik.com and I hear all of
the complaints about Lasik. If I may put my two cents worth in here.
I would say to first and foremost, DO NOT ELECT LASIK SURGERY, because
GREED is at the front and PATIENT's SAFETY AND WELL BEING is at the
back. Truly I am educated on this subject since I have had about 500
conversations with suicidal post lasik patients and I heard the
numbers were more like 10,000 hurt lasik patients in the USA alone and
growing. But neither here nor there, the best treatment in my opinion
after speaking with doctors, educated phd's, scientists, attorneys is
to NOT have treatment within the USA as they make you sign a INFORMED
CONSENT FORM, which is really there to protect the lying lasik doctors
from YOU suing them. I would recommend that you go to either
Germany,Norway or Italy as they are 3 years ahead of the USA, they
don't tend to lie to get your money and tend to give you a more biased
honest opinion. I had to fly out of the country to Tromso, Norway
twice this year to get a surface PRK treatment because the technology
wasn't even safe for doing TOPO guided PRK to fix what the USA
lying lasik doctors are messing up.

Anyway, please do your du-dilligence, and TRUST NO ONE especially the
USA doctors! They tend to lie, charge you top dollar, and by the time
the Statute of Limitations runs out, you can't sue them for the
irreversible damages incurred. Trust me, I know how corrupt it is
here in the USA...

Please reference chat rooms that are full of unhappy lasik patients
that once had great lives, great stories,
and now the common word is "suidical", see for yourself:

www.LasikFlap.com

www.LifeAfterLasik.com

www.LasikFraud.com

www.YouTube.com Search: Glenn Hagele, CRSQA, Lasik FDA,
And you will discover the documentaries that were aired showing that
the lasik industry has "skewed" success rates actually LYING to the
public about how many patients reported being "happy." This is shown
here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqomPX4ADvE

Or read about the idiot that ruined my eyesight and has 60+ lawsuits
and is now being sued by our family here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rhq68dCvj1k

Good luck! I ask you for not one penny, no money, just that you
understand one thing:

Know this: "You only have one set of eyes. PERIOD. Why let anyone
take a razor blade and slash through your perfectly clear optics that
can tolerate glasses or contacts? Did you know after Lasik, most of
us can't even tolerate glasses or contacts and have to be on
prescription strength eye drops for the rest of our lives at the tune
of $150/month?"

"Most lasik surgeries are a failure 1,3,5,8 years later." Do you know
why? Answer: Your eyes change, gravity changes your eyes, and worse
yet, the flap created by their blades are lifelong and never fully
heal. Most of you will have a medical condition called Dry Eye
Syndrome which there is NO KNOWN CURE for. The lying lasik doctors
aren't really enforcing this or "telling the entire story nor are they
properly educating their patients" about ALL of the indepth problems
associated with lasik such as Suicide and Blindness.

And the reason is simple, they are making "millions." Their families
are benefiting off of your families suffering ongoing and the industry
could care less. The news channels could care less. It's all a mafia
style gravy train to be blunt.

In article <1187262569.614098.155160[at]a39g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> ,
p.clarkii[at]gmail.com wrote:

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I agree with your statement above about not patronizing spammers, but
that's not what you wrote and that's not what I was responding to. You
said "I recommend that NO ONE consider visiting India for any
treatment." Can you see the difference? If it was an American practice
that posted 3 times in a row, would you caution everyone from visiting
the US for treatment? England, France, Russia, Brazil, Japan, China,
Pakistan, Jordan, South Africa, Morocco, Norway--where do you draw the
line? Your statement came across as condemning India because that poster
was from India and you have something against India. Want to throw some
other locations in there or is it just India; and why?

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Actually, I think I missed those finer points because I didn't read the
posts, I simply kill filed them. As soon as I noticed they were
advertisements, I deleted them. You and "Brainy" (now that's funny)
don't seem to see that I'm not defending spam on this NG, I just get
appalled when I see statements like "I recommend that NO ONE consider
visiting India for any treatment." It's absurd and offensive to the
thousands of doctors in India who care for millions and contribute to
the international scientific community with medical studies and
research.

I don't necessarily recommend traveling to another country or even
across your own country for treatments that you can get closer to home
simply because you are then too far away from the doctor should
complications arise. In fact, many doctors in India received their
training in top US and Europe (and other Western and other) med schools
and have the same skills and work at top rate facilities there. There
are times I would recommend travel to India. For example, someone in the
remote regions of a neighboring country needs a corneal transplant. The
closest experts might be in India and traveling to India might be the
difference between keeping or losing eye sight.

If you are referring to "medical tourism" that is another matter
altogether and is really about economics. Then again, unless you have a
participating doctor/partner in your home country for followups, you are
at risk for being stranded if complications arise and there have been
some real horror stories I've read about of botched operations. But
those are mostly for elective surgeries, especially cosmetic.

I think you forget that there are people who read this NG and indeed
people in general from all over the world, not just from the US, Europe,
Australia or wherever you are. I read this NG when I'm traveling through
and living in Asia. There might be circumstances when my best best would
be to travel to India to receive treatment.

BTW, I haven't heard anyone called a "dweeb" since I was in 5th grade,
which was a very long time ago. It made me laugh. Good comeback. "idiot"
was not so inspired.

--
~RT

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Speaking of mummies and daddies... Didn't yours ever tell you not to
lie?

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Spam or no spam, it is irrelavant. Your first remark was filth either
way.

Deny all you like, you pathetic old dweeb.
But you remain the idiot you always were.

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Such pathetic lies... This is what you said in your first post:

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It wasn't that long ago, and you have already forgotten?

You dimwit moronic idiot.

On Aug 15, 9:28 am, p.clar...[at]gmail.com wrote:
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did this honk you off Otis? you pathetic simpleton.

On Aug 16, 3:03 am, Kakuzu <absolutelyinvinci...[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
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better go to bed Revival. i hear mummy calling. daddy will be mad.

On Aug 15, 9:13 pm, RT <RTM...[at]NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
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yeah. i say don't go to anyone who uses spam as a way to advertise
their business. if that makes me a bigot in your definition then so
be it you dweeb. i guess you appreciate the finer points of being
spammed. idiot!

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What new level of stupidity have you reached, Brainy? Just because the
name is "VisionCareIndia" does not follow the conclusion that it is
purporting to represent the vision care system of the entire
subcontinent. You have never heard ofa typical company name such as
'MedicareUK' or 'TrainExpressAmerica'? Do you even hear anything at
all, Brainy? With this new level of stupidity I now witness, I would
very much doubt you do!