"Mike Tyner"
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I am almost sure that pain was first. I can add that one time when I taken
off glasses and feel uncomfort my colleague said; "wear on glasses". So they
(eyes)are unpleased in such state. Probably they get red after longer time
without glasses.
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So myopia is nutrition dependent.
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This are details. Without pressure eye would lost its shape.


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Did they (subjects) pointing or "try very hard to see"?
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It needs time.
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But the Bershak method must be a little modified now. The subiects must be
the pain free. It was the reason why The Bates method failed.
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Now we are at the beginning. Thanks Dan we know that myopia causes reading.
Till now almost common view was that reading causes myopia. So we need new
cause. My suggestion is that low salt diet is not for kids. They should be
feed like sportsmen or soldier.
S*

On Feb 7, 5:36 am, "Mike Tyner" <mty...[at]mindspring.com> wrote:

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Right.

Otherwise, you cannot rule out "divine intervention --" you know: hand
of God and all that.

Has anybody else noticed that the scientifically oriented and
intellectually curious POSE or ASK, while those /afflicted/ with blind
faith and unfailing certitude TELL (and seem to be wrong far more
often than not)?

I have.

"Szczepan Bia³ek" <sz.bialek[at]wp.pl> wrote

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Are you nearsighted? Which came first - pain, or nearsightedness?

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Did Bershak measure blood sugar? People with diabetes get "repair" without
Bershak.

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To see far, the ciliary muscle relaxes. The zonules get tense. The lens is
stretched flat. Not pressure.

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But pictures (ultrasound, MRI) show the EYE is not deformed for seeing far
or near. The LENS is deformed. Eye deformation is imaginary, not real.

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19 pages is not proof. Better proof is 19 SUBJECTS who were treated,
compared to 19 identical subjects who were NOT treated.

If treated group average shows "repair" and untreated group does NOT, very
interesting! Now I think it MIGHT work so I find 190 subjects to treat, and
190 identical subjects not treated. If treated group average shows repair
then Eureka! I found it! I publish my method and my results so ANOTHER
investigator can try it. If HE can do it, then voila - PROOF!

One subject, one story, is not enough. 100 subjects is not enough. Must
compare to 100 subjects NOT treated. Some NOT treated will "repair" for
different reasons.

-MT

"Mike Tyner" <mtyner[at]mindspring.com> wrote
news:b--dnb6OrNCxPzTanZ2dnUVZ_v-hnZ2d[at]giganews.com...
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Imagine that I am your patient with a little English. So I say to you that
there are days when I practicly could not take off glasses for uncomfortable
feelig ( now I called it the fatigue pain). And are days when I can take
them off for long time (seeing blurry but feel comfortably)
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The Bershak Method is dated January12,2008. The Author repaired -2.
To now nobody did such research.
In texstbooks is that the ciliar muscles contracts when we want to see near.
And there is written that the internal pressure restore the shape for far
seeing. It is a history.
Everybody know how to strain muscles to make them hard and visible. When we
do it we feel something (like tension) We can do the same with the external
eye muscles. We cannot touch them so we must feel the same impression. When
the all external muscles are strong strain they deform eye for far seeing.
But they must be properly feed (also with minerals). One "shot" does a
little but the millions during the months can repair myopia. Details are on
19 pages.
S*

"Dan Abel" <dabel[at]sonic.net> napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
news:dabel-8723E5.12010406022008[at]c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au...
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Your ansfer is YES. You were treated unconsciously. Like me. My mother was
(since I was 8) on a reduced sodium diet for stomach lowering. When it
started my older brother and sister were in boarded-school and they have not
myopia.

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Important is iif you was wearing is all time.

It is not too late to start the second step of my scenario.
S*

In article <fobt6g$9m1$1[at]node1.news.atman.pl> ,
"Szczepan Bialek" <sz.bialek[at]wp.pl> wrote:


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No. My mother was on a reduced sodium diet, so our food was not high in
sodium. I was given glasses in fourth grade, which was *way* too late.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA
dabel[at]sonic.net

<otisbrown[at]embarqmail.com> wrote

Otis> No, Mike, I NEVER said that. I know what the majority-opinion
ODs beleive (that a -3 diopter lens has NO EFFECT on the natural eye's
refracttive state),

That isn't the lie.

You said "majority opinion OD's" believe the eye does not respond to the
environment.

That's a lie.

Otis> So you jump, nay LEAP to your false conclusion (that the eye is not
dynamic),

That's a lie. Nobody says "the eye is not dynamic." YOU put those words in
my mouth and call me ignorant.

EVERY eye professional, OD or not, knows that eyes change over time. THAT'S
ALL DYNAMIC MEANS.

Otis> But you ignorance about the proven effect of a -3 diopter lens
on the refractive STATE of the natural eye -- means that however
well-intended -- the minus lens can help NOTHING at all.

You claim that a -3 myope gets worse because he wears -3 glasses.

That's not what human experiments indicate. You haven't refuted those real,
human results with any other valid findings.

Neither has anyone in China.

-MT

Dear Mike,

Subject: I KNOW what you believe -- and it is false


Mike> Otis, you're lying about what doctors believe. Surely you know
better.

Otis> No, Mike, I NEVER said that. I know what the majority-opinion
ODs beleive
(that a -3 diopter lens has NO EFFECT on the natural eye's refracttive
state),
and what the SECOND-OPINION ODs believe -- (that is DOES).

Otis> So you jump, nay LEAP to your false conclusion (that the eye is
not
dynamic), and then call all second-opinion ODs liars because they
have a "belief" that the natural eye is dynamic.

Otis> But I do agree -- that is a person wishes to avoid entry
into a negative refractive STATE for the natural eye -- they
must avoid you.

Mike> YOUR DOCTOR DID NOT MAKE YOU NEARSIGHTED.

Otis> True. In fact, after a study of the TRUE behavior of the
fundamental eye (in terms of refractive STATE) (exact measurements),
it is clear that children do INDUCE a negative refractive STATE in
their normal eyes. (As a dynamic system, not as a "failure".)

Otis> But you ignorance about the proven effect of a -3 diopter lens
on the refractive STATE of the natural eye -- means that however
well-intended -- the minus lens can help NOTHING at all.

Otis> But you go on "believeing" that you are "perfect" and
there is no PREVENTIVE second-opinion. And that
would be a lie -- for anyone who can click on this site:

www.chinamyopia.org

Enjoy the second-opinion.

Otis



-MT





On Feb 5, 10:56*am, "Mike Tyner" <mty...[at]mindspring.com> wrote:
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"Szczepan Bialek" <sz.bialek[at]wp.pl> wrote

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You imagine pain appears. Myopes say there is no pain.

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You imagine repair works. Research says there is no repair.

-MT

<otisbrown[at]embarqmail.com> wrote
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In textbooks are theories which were famous (as false or true) in time of
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For such new ones the only place are Web sides.

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But do not worry, Otis. From now all will be under control.
It is posible thanks the latest three revolutionary discoveries:

1. Magnesium and sulphour (MSM) are very important for muscles.
2. Myopia causes reading (Dan Abel)
3. External muscles help in far focussing (John Bershak)

So will be possible the scenario as follows:

When kids start going to school we serve them small amounts of the
"technical NaCl" (table salt). The fatique pain appears in eyes and the
myopia starts. Kids prefer reading. IQ is high and excelent result in
education.

Afer education we serve unrafined sea salt (or mixture 3:1 of table salt and
Epson salt). When fatique pain disappears we start repairing the myopia
with Bershak method.
I am queries if Dan was trated in such way?

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Now is possible to control (conscious) the all cases.

I need add some explanation to the term "Fatigue pain". The example is the
best way:

To keep balance when standing and walking ALL muscles are contracted. They
do it all day long without the "fatigue pain" (if they are properly feed).
But some people feel the fatigue pain after a few minutes. They need a
walking-stick to eliminate (lower) this pain.
The same is with the eyes. Properly feed external eye muscles can do far
focussing all day long without the fatigue pain. Week need glasses.

It may be the new diagnostic tool for ED. Patient, after taking off glasses,
should see blurry but should not feel the fatigue pain. If such is changes
in nutrition should be considered.

For the above I have references and evidences which are enough for me.
Supply such which satisfy the whole world is not my duty (I have any
possibilities). But the Western people so such busy do it without my help.
Am I right?
S*