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| In article <dbWdnaiJgZf0NSHVnZ2dnUVZ_r3inZ2d[at]comcast.com> , nobody <annonymous[at]none.com> wrote: - quote - > The website had 2 pictures displayed to show how much more one can see
You are probably attributing too more capability to the practice of> with AR coated eyeglasses; a thread a few years back said that there was > more light getting thru a pair eyeglasses using AR coatings. > Now, the website's pics was a headon shot of a car at night with the > headlights on & a person standing back by the door. With AR coating, > the area around the headlights do show up clearer BUT, from my perspective, > more of the person was visible in the pic without the AR coating. > So, I'm just guessing that flare is making the more of the person visible > when not AR is applied if all else was equal. Don't really understand > why that is so; could be psycological that when objects are "brighter", it > appears that one can see more. My AR coated lenses seem to make objects > less "bright" so that it seems that the objects are "dimmer" than when > glare/flare is present. photography than is justified. For example, in viewing a computer screen in a subdued light environment, AR coatings have little to offer. The 8% loss in transmitted light signal is virtually insignificant. On the other hand, scattering and multiple reflection from lens surfaces can give a noisy background that makes it very difficult to see what is near a headlight pointing at you. Bill |
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| On 2008-09-01, Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg[at]sbcglobal.net> wrote: - quote - > In article <3_SdnV2pJ_QM1yHVnZ2dnUVZ_sninZ2d[at]comcast.com> ,
The website had 2 pictures displayed to show how much more one can see> nobody <annonymous[at]none.com> wrote: > > I was wondering since the AR lenses is supposed to allow more light to > > come thru. On a website that had a before & after effect of AR, I felt > > that I saw more objects without AR than with AR; I attributed that the > > glare bounced more light to the object (person) standing next to the > > car even if the headlight was glaring. I got AR lenses anyway...... > > > I need to trackdown that website as it could have been my old monitor; but > > if I can see more things with glare than without, glare is the way to go. > I read your post twice and still have some trouble understanding what > you are trying to say. For ordinary glass and typical plastic, about 4% > of incident light is reflected and lost from each surface or 8% from the > front and back of the lens combined. That is not really very much. The > problem often created is that the reflections cause unwanted images and > confusion. In photography where there can easily be six to eight > glass-air interfaces in a lens, that can be a lot of light loss and > degradation of the image on the film or sensor. In photography, that is > called flare. Certainly a bright light behind you can reflect off of > your lens surfaces into your eye. > There are many different kinds of AR coatings. I am not very familiar > with those use on eyeglass lenses. The simplest ones will reduce > reflectivity to about 1% per surface. Many more tricks at greater > expense can be performed using multilayer AR coatings. Is it worth it? I > think that is highly subjective. > By the way, multilayer coatings can be used to color glasses, > particularly sunglasses. That usually ends up reducing transmission > through the lens be increasing reflectivity at some wavelengths. > Bill with AR coated eyeglasses; a thread a few years back said that there was more light getting thru a pair eyeglasses using AR coatings. Now, the website's pics was a headon shot of a car at night with the headlights on & a person standing back by the door. With AR coating, the area around the headlights do show up clearer BUT, from my perspective, more of the person was visible in the pic without the AR coating. So, I'm just guessing that flare is making the more of the person visible when not AR is applied if all else was equal. Don't really understand why that is so; could be psycological that when objects are "brighter", it appears that one can see more. My AR coated lenses seem to make objects less "bright" so that it seems that the objects are "dimmer" than when glare/flare is present. |
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| In article <3_SdnV2pJ_QM1yHVnZ2dnUVZ_sninZ2d[at]comcast.com> , nobody <annonymous[at]none.com> wrote: - quote - > I was wondering since the AR lenses is supposed to allow more light to
I read your post twice and still have some trouble understanding what> come thru. On a website that had a before & after effect of AR, I felt > that I saw more objects without AR than with AR; I attributed that the > glare bounced more light to the object (person) standing next to the > car even if the headlight was glaring. I got AR lenses anyway...... > I need to trackdown that website as it could have been my old monitor; but > if I can see more things with glare than without, glare is the way to go. you are trying to say. For ordinary glass and typical plastic, about 4% of incident light is reflected and lost from each surface or 8% from the front and back of the lens combined. That is not really very much. The problem often created is that the reflections cause unwanted images and confusion. In photography where there can easily be six to eight glass-air interfaces in a lens, that can be a lot of light loss and degradation of the image on the film or sensor. In photography, that is called flare. Certainly a bright light behind you can reflect off of your lens surfaces into your eye. There are many different kinds of AR coatings. I am not very familiar with those use on eyeglass lenses. The simplest ones will reduce reflectivity to about 1% per surface. Many more tricks at greater expense can be performed using multilayer AR coatings. Is it worth it? I think that is highly subjective. By the way, multilayer coatings can be used to color glasses, particularly sunglasses. That usually ends up reducing transmission through the lens be increasing reflectivity at some wavelengths. Bill |
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| On 2008-09-01, Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg[at]sbcglobal.net> wrote: - quote - > In article <9vGdnSz-M-59iyHVnZ2dnUVZ_qPinZ2d[at]comcast.com> ,
I was wondering since the AR lenses is supposed to allow more light to> nobody <annonymous[at]none.com> wrote: > > I'll be having cataract surgery & have read info on cataracts & its > > effect on limiting night vision. Wondering if the yellow tinted > > "night driving glasses" will help with night driving. > > > I guess the night driving glasses may cut down glare but have doubts > > about the visibility of objects. > > > Anyone know or have experience with the night driving glasses that > > is being advertised? > I am not a health professional. My background is in optics. > Most eyeglasses DO NOT cut down on glare compared to light useful for > vision. Polarized lenses can do so at the expense of losing more than > 50% of the light. They can cut down on some glare reflected off of the > road, especially from the sun at some times of the day, > Yellow tints can improve contrast under some circumstances. That is why > they used to be used a lot in black and white photography. > All in all, my educated guess is that you want all the light you can get > when driving dark roads at night. I would be open to changing my mind if > presented with experimental data showing benefit. Watch out for sellers' > hype. > Bill come thru. On a website that had a before & after effect of AR, I felt that I saw more objects without AR than with AR; I attributed that the glare bounced more light to the object (person) standing next to the car even if the headlight was glaring. I got AR lenses anyway...... I need to trackdown that website as it could have been my old monitor; but if I can see more things with glare than without, glare is the way to go. |
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| In article <9vGdnSz-M-59iyHVnZ2dnUVZ_qPinZ2d[at]comcast.com> , nobody <annonymous[at]none.com> wrote: - quote - > I'll be having cataract surgery & have read info on cataracts & its
I am not a health professional. My background is in optics.> effect on limiting night vision. Wondering if the yellow tinted > "night driving glasses" will help with night driving. > I guess the night driving glasses may cut down glare but have doubts > about the visibility of objects. > Anyone know or have experience with the night driving glasses that > is being advertised? Most eyeglasses DO NOT cut down on glare compared to light useful for vision. Polarized lenses can do so at the expense of losing more than 50% of the light. They can cut down on some glare reflected off of the road, especially from the sun at some times of the day, Yellow tints can improve contrast under some circumstances. That is why they used to be used a lot in black and white photography. All in all, my educated guess is that you want all the light you can get when driving dark roads at night. I would be open to changing my mind if presented with experimental data showing benefit. Watch out for sellers' hype. Bill |
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| "nobody" <annonymous[at]none.com> wrote - quote - > I'll be having cataract surgery & have read info on cataracts & its
If you're having cataract surgery, it's usually because your corrected> effect on limiting night vision. Wondering if the yellow tinted > "night driving glasses" will help with night driving. vision in the better eye has decreased enough to cause you problems. In that event, just removing one cataract will probably improve your vision so much that the effects of yellow vs clear, or coated vs noncoated, will probably be trivial non-issues. After cataract surgery, see if there's residual refractive error and whether or not prescription glasses would be worthwhile. Then worry about the colors and coatings. You could be fine with a pair of drugstore glasses for reading. Compared to 20/40 from cataract or refractive error, "night driving" modifications can't make a lot of difference, no matter what they advertise. -MT |
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| I'll be having cataract surgery & have read info on cataracts & its effect on limiting night vision. Wondering if the yellow tinted "night driving glasses" will help with night driving. I guess the night driving glasses may cut down glare but have doubts about the visibility of objects. Anyone know or have experience with the night driving glasses that is being advertised? |
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