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Old 12-17-2008, 02:34 PM
Mike Tyner
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"Simon Dean" <sjdean[at]gmail.com> wrote

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> I looked at a TV screen about 10 metres away. I didn't realise just how
> blurry it was until I popped on the glasses. Incredible.
> I take it this is just the results from the astigmatism correction?
> But, and here's the question, is it normal to have some blurriness, or
> should things definitely be sharp?

That's a pretty vague question. Is it normal to have blurriness without
glasses? Yes. Should things be sharp with glasses? Yes.

But there are exceptions; sometimes making the far vision clear "should"
make the near vision blurry. And vice versa.

-MT


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Old 12-16-2008, 06:54 PM
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Mike Tyner wrote:
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> "Simon Dean" <sjdean[at]gmail.com> wrote
> > What's the term for the issue where if you look at a light with one eye in
> > the dark, you see two of them (or at least you see a halo?).
> Monocular diplopia. Some degree of it is normal. There are four causes.
> Usually it's only visible at the extremes of focus, so if you fix the
> long-or-shortsightedness, the diplopia becomes less noticeable. And it
> disappears in bright light, or thru a pinhole.
> Haloes and rings are different.

Halo was the wrong thing I think. It's like if I look at an LED light in
the dark from a distance, I see a lighter shadow of itself sort of down
and to the right.

My last pair of glass I had made up were terrible. Because I was
slightly long sighted, they were made to this. It means I could see
close up things really well, but distance was abysmal.

These new pair of glasses I have are incredible.

Near objects are incredibly sharp. And distance objects.

I looked at a TV screen about 10 metres away. I didn't realise just how
blurry it was until I popped on the glasses. Incredible.

I take it this is just the results from the astigmatism correction?

But, and here's the question, is it normal to have some blurriness, or
should things definitely be sharp?

Cheers
Simon
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Old 12-12-2008, 05:20 PM
Mike Tyner
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"Simon Dean" <sjdean[at]gmail.com> wrote

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> What's the term for the issue where if you look at a light with one eye in
> the dark, you see two of them (or at least you see a halo?).

Monocular diplopia. Some degree of it is normal. There are four causes.

Usually it's only visible at the extremes of focus, so if you fix the
long-or-shortsightedness, the diplopia becomes less noticeable. And it
disappears in bright light, or thru a pinhole.

Haloes and rings are different.

-MT


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Old 12-12-2008, 05:06 PM
Mike Tyner
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> But with longsighted corrective glasses, my distance vision is atrocious.
> I can't see how they would help with driving. Maybe I should consult a
> legal newsgroup, because I think in Britain we have a recourse for being
> sold something that we don't need.

Probably not justified, when everyone else eventually wears reading glasses
that make our faraway vision much worse than that. If you think this is bad,
wait til you're fifty.

Glasses should address a problem. If you reported a problem with your near
vision, they made an appropriate recommendation. I'm not sure why they would
recommend you wear them to drive. I'm not sure they meant to say that. In
their defence, many people in your situation find distance correction blurry
at first and welcome later.

You've reported that the glasses made your vision better at near. Knowing
your Rx and guessing at your age, near asthenopia (discomfort) is pretty
much expected in the longsighted. Near complaints increase with age.
Eventually, +050 will make the difference between legible and illegible up
close. Until then, glasses are expected to reduce discomfort. If they help
up close, it may not be reasonable to expect them to help far away.

Not everything you heard was accurate, but there's no big tort.

-MT


"Simon Dean" <sjdean[at]gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Mike Tyner wrote:
> > Glasses will help if you need to read small details at great distance,
> > esp in the dark (eg license tags and street numbers). They might help
> > your near vision but if you don't need near correction most people would
> > take them off except to drive or watch a movie.
> > > I get suspicious when someone sells glasses to "reduce glare." In optics,
> > "glare" and "blur" are not the same thing, tho they may have similar
> > results. But glasses normally reduce blur and _increase_ glare, defined
> > as competing internal reflections, flare and haze that come with
> > real-world spectacle lenses, with their fingerprints and nosegrease.
> > > Next suggestion is to use prism only to solve problems. If you weren't
> > having performance issues, or problems with diplopia or asthenopia, head
> > tilt or turn, my training says leave it alone.
> > > Prescribing for every little anomaly generally makes people unhappy and
> > it's astounding how many would be more comfortable withOUT this or that,
> > but they suffer thru just because someone told them they "need it." Don't
> > fix what ain't broke.
> As I can't be asked to go to my car to get the results, I've always been
> slightly longsighted, never more than about 0.50 in each eye (plus or
> minus whatever it is for longsightedness).
> Glasses in the past, even with very slight longsightedness and slight
> astigmatism as I have said have helped previously. Text becomes a lot
> clearer, and find text especially becomes black and not grey as it
> normally appears to me. It's a lot more focussed with glasses. But I can
> still see without quite well.
> But with longsighted corrective glasses, my distance vision is atrocious.
> I can't see how they would help with driving. Maybe I should consult a
> legal newsgroup, because I think in Britain we have a recourse for being
> sold something that we don't need.
> My eye doc reckons I do have a very slight head tilt, but I don't get
> diplopia (double vision right). I've never heard of asthenopia, but sounds
> interesting, as the areas around my eyes feels tired constantly.
> What's the term for the issue where if you look at a light with one eye in
> the dark, you see two of them (or at least you see a halo?).
> Cheers
> Simon


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Old 12-12-2008, 10:39 AM
Simon Dean
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Mike Tyner wrote:
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> Glasses will help if you need to read small details at great distance, esp
> in the dark (eg license tags and street numbers). They might help your near
> vision but if you don't need near correction most people would take them off
> except to drive or watch a movie.
> I get suspicious when someone sells glasses to "reduce glare." In optics,
> "glare" and "blur" are not the same thing, tho they may have similar
> results. But glasses normally reduce blur and _increase_ glare, defined as
> competing internal reflections, flare and haze that come with real-world
> spectacle lenses, with their fingerprints and nosegrease.
> Next suggestion is to use prism only to solve problems. If you weren't
> having performance issues, or problems with diplopia or asthenopia, head
> tilt or turn, my training says leave it alone.
> Prescribing for every little anomaly generally makes people unhappy and it's
> astounding how many would be more comfortable withOUT this or that, but they
> suffer thru just because someone told them they "need it." Don't fix what
> ain't broke.

As I can't be asked to go to my car to get the results, I've always been
slightly longsighted, never more than about 0.50 in each eye (plus or
minus whatever it is for longsightedness).

Glasses in the past, even with very slight longsightedness and slight
astigmatism as I have said have helped previously. Text becomes a lot
clearer, and find text especially becomes black and not grey as it
normally appears to me. It's a lot more focussed with glasses. But I can
still see without quite well.

But with longsighted corrective glasses, my distance vision is
atrocious. I can't see how they would help with driving. Maybe I should
consult a legal newsgroup, because I think in Britain we have a recourse
for being sold something that we don't need.

My eye doc reckons I do have a very slight head tilt, but I don't get
diplopia (double vision right). I've never heard of asthenopia, but
sounds interesting, as the areas around my eyes feels tired constantly.

What's the term for the issue where if you look at a light with one eye
in the dark, you see two of them (or at least you see a halo?).

Cheers
Simon
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Old 12-12-2008, 10:29 AM
Simon Dean
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Neil Brooks wrote:
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> On Dec 11, 7:12 pm, Salmon Egg <Salmon...[at]sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > In article
> > <34a91a8b-06a0-4060-a87d-753a58849...[at]w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com> ,
> > Simon Dean <sjd...[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I went to see the optician on Monday. They're usually very good and
> > > won't prescribe something unless it's needed. They'll even say I don't
> > > need glasses if my prescription amounts to anything like 0.50
> > > longsightedness or astigmatism. They talk me out of glasses.
> > Where did you go? Opticians in most states are not allowed to prescribe.
> Simon's all kinds of British, if I recall correctly.

Yeah... Im British. English. Brummish even (that Im from Birmingham and
we're called Brummies here). That's your free geography lesson for the day!

Cya
Simon
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Old 12-12-2008, 01:27 AM
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On Dec 11, 7:12*pm, Salmon Egg <Salmon...[at]sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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> In article
> <34a91a8b-06a0-4060-a87d-753a58849...[at]w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com> ,
> *Simon *Dean <sjd...[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> > I went to see the optician on Monday. They're usually very good and
> > won't prescribe something unless it's needed. They'll even say I don't
> > need glasses if my prescription amounts to anything like 0.50
> > longsightedness or astigmatism. They talk me out of glasses.
> Where did you go? Opticians in most states are not allowed to prescribe.


Simon's all kinds of British, if I recall correctly.
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Old 12-12-2008, 01:12 AM
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In article
<34a91a8b-06a0-4060-a87d-753a588498b8[at]w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com> ,
Simon Dean <sjdean[at]gmail.com> wrote:

- quote -

> I went to see the optician on Monday. They're usually very good and
> won't prescribe something unless it's needed. They'll even say I don't
> need glasses if my prescription amounts to anything like 0.50
> longsightedness or astigmatism. They talk me out of glasses.

Where did you go? Opticians in most states are not allowed to prescribe.

Bill

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Old 12-11-2008, 11:47 PM
Mike Tyner
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Glasses will help if you need to read small details at great distance, esp
in the dark (eg license tags and street numbers). They might help your near
vision but if you don't need near correction most people would take them off
except to drive or watch a movie.

I get suspicious when someone sells glasses to "reduce glare." In optics,
"glare" and "blur" are not the same thing, tho they may have similar
results. But glasses normally reduce blur and _increase_ glare, defined as
competing internal reflections, flare and haze that come with real-world
spectacle lenses, with their fingerprints and nosegrease.

Next suggestion is to use prism only to solve problems. If you weren't
having performance issues, or problems with diplopia or asthenopia, head
tilt or turn, my training says leave it alone.

Prescribing for every little anomaly generally makes people unhappy and it's
astounding how many would be more comfortable withOUT this or that, but they
suffer thru just because someone told them they "need it." Don't fix what
ain't broke.

-MT

"Simon Dean" <sjdean[at]gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6qd5t7Fc15vcU1[at]mid.individual.net...
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> Dan Abel wrote:
> > In article
> > <34a91a8b-06a0-4060-a87d-753a588498b8[at]w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com> ,
> > Simon Dean <sjdean[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > But I got home and began to fume as I read my prescription. -0.50
> > > astigmatism in each eye. Is that it? That warrants glasses?
> > > Yes. If you find that they are more trouble than they are worth, then
> > you won't wear them. If they help more than they hinder, then you
> > probably will.
> > Ok, that's a relief then... I think. I've just known some opticians who
> won't bother with anything that low, suggesting it could even just be a
> blip on that day as Im up and down from year to year.
> Is it just personal preference by the optician then at the end of the day?


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Old 12-11-2008, 05:53 PM
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Dan Abel wrote:
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> In article
> <34a91a8b-06a0-4060-a87d-753a588498b8[at]w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com> ,
> Simon Dean <sjdean[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> > But I got home and began to fume as I read my prescription. -0.50
> > astigmatism in each eye. Is that it? That warrants glasses?
> Yes. If you find that they are more trouble than they are worth, then
> you won't wear them. If they help more than they hinder, then you
> probably will.

Ok, that's a relief then... I think. I've just known some opticians who
won't bother with anything that low, suggesting it could even just be a
blip on that day as Im up and down from year to year.

Is it just personal preference by the optician then at the end of the day?
 

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