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dph[at]funtaff.net wrote:

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I'm going to jump in here also. I'm going to ignore some of your most
important questions, not because they aren't important, but because I
just don't have the knowledge. Perhaps Mike will answer.

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What did the DMV say? If they put a restriction on your license, you
better wear the glasses. I was told by a reliable source that you risk
non-payment by your insurance company for an accident, plus being cited,
if you drive without correction if the DMV requires it.

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I believe that was intended as a joke. A poster was claiming to only
use their anal sphincter muscle for a few minutes a day. That's exactly
backwards. It is normal for people to have their anal sphincter muscle
constricted almost 24 hours a day, and only relax it when sitting on the
toilet.


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The logic isn't that bad, it just doesn't work. Otis and others won't
let go of it, even though studies have been done that show it doesn't
work. As an example, it is pretty obvious from a casual look, that the
sun revolves around the earth. However, as science advanced, it was
proved that that theory just didn't work. Even when some Pope decreed
that the sun went around the earth, it still didn't!

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA
dabel[at]sonic.net

On Mar 16, 12:14*pm, Neil Brooks <neil0...[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
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Seems pretty solid. For the (unbalanced) diet, are there some
particular areas you can stress regarding keeping vision in good
shape? Also, any links to ocular motility exercises, or papers
regarding the periocular warming you can recommend? I'll look them up
regardless, but direction always helps.

Thanks,

-David

Lemme' jump in here, uninvited, with what I call my "protocol."

It, literally, has answered the concerns of even the lunatic fringe,
on this subject:

1) If you're a low, simple myope, then take off your glasses for near
work;

2) Pay meticulous attention to proper visual hygiene, including
frequent breaks;

3) Get plenty of fresh air, sunshine, and vigorous exercise (implicit
in this is using your eyes to gaze way out at optical infinity, or
nearly so);

4) Eat a balanced, healthy diet, rich in fruits and vegetables;

5) Practice ocular motility exercises (a/k/a "Yoga for the eyes");

6) Use periocular warming* a couple of times each day, and after
sustained near work. This has been found, scientifically, to restore
accommodative amplitudes.

*Fill a sock with corn or rice. Heat up (WARM, NOT HOT) in a
microwave. Put the warm bag over your closed eyes for 10 minutes. If
desired, you can also learn the technique of "lid expression" to help
increase flow of the meibomian glands -- a producer of one of the
three components of tear film, responsible for a stable tear lens.

Neil
Chief Executive Officer
Otis is an Embittered Whack-Job, Inc.

I stumbled on this thread looking for info on mild astigmatism. I'm
24 and had 20/15 or better through high school and just recently
noticed a problem while at the DMV, and saw an optometrist that wrote
me up for -1.25/sph and -0.75/-1.00.

My original question was going to ask (was much more related to the
original post) about mild astigmatism. Now that I've seen a doctor, I
can now see that everything really is showing up in double, and even
to a certain extent in the eye that was measured spherical (I see
things double vertically, but only about 1/3 as offset as things in
the other eye that was measured -0.75/-1.00). Is that mild of an
issue not worth correcting?

Anyway, the discussion in this thread that seemed to approach the
recent debate about myopia between Otis and company and the rest of
the sane world is curious to me. I was wondering if you, Mike, could
sum up your take on that. It sounds like you're saying that the
ciliary muscles are smooth (so body builder logic no longer applies),
and implying that they fatigue over the years from reading at close
distances isn't a slam dunk, because we don't see rates of things like
say, anal leakage, at nearly the rates for myopia in the population.

Now Pia, and my wife for that matter - have very strong myopia (my
wife is over 600, etc) - and I think the "Myopia Myth" logic really
breaks down strongly for these cases, but I'd kinda like to see the
honest truth from someone, and I've read your replies in this thread
and have come to respect your responses. What about the mild cases?
Any optical system is pretty fine tuned, and the only reason there is
so much variance for error (there truly is, I didn't realize I
actually see two red stoplights until just yesterday) is because the
"image" we see is actually mostly reconstructed back from the already
processed information (aka, lines, shapes, colors, glyphs...).

My point is that I think it's pretty safe to assume that the logic of
the Otis camp is clearly extreme and can't explain the myriads of over
-6.00 young adults. I'd be curious what your take would be on the
edge cases, the IT guys who work at 12" for 10 hours a day and then go
home and hit up the laptop for another 3, etc. These people aren't
that uncommon, and I'd love to find some solid, realistic advice on
that situation.

"Neil Brooks" <neil0502[at]yahoo.com> wrote
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On Mar 9, 1:05 pm, "Mike Tyner" <mty...[at]mindspring.com> wrote:

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Darn my Jewish grandmother!

She made INCREDIBLE matzoh balls ... that I ate by the cask ... and
yet ... here _I_ sit ... a high hyperope :-(

Do you know if your secretion of the adrenal cortex is insufficient, normal
or excessive?
S*

"Szczepan Bia³ek" <sz.bialek[at]wp.pl> wrote

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All we have to do is find some evidence you're right.

-MT

On Mar 9, 1:05*pm, "Mike Tyner" <mty...[at]mindspring.com> wrote:

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Darn my Jewish grandmother!

She made INCREDIBLE matzoh balls ... that I ate by the cask ... and
yet ... here _I_ sit ... a high hyperope :-(

"Mike Tyner" <mtyner[at]mindspring.com> wrote
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They are. Now is recommended low salt diet. Is is not good for that with
"Insufficient secretion of the adrenal cortex "
"The mechanism of control of water-exchange in the body is an extremely
complicated problem concerning which much is not known. It is known that the
glands of internal secretion and the autonomic nervous system play a
paramount role in this mechanism. The most significant role, from the
viewpoint of near-sightedness, is played by the outer part of the adrenal
gland, the adrenal cortex.
The adrenal cortex influences the water exchange of the body by causing
retention of salt in the blood. The determining force in the exchange of
water between the blood and the organs is their relative salt content. When
the salt of the blood is reduced in quantity, water seeps, or osmoses, out
of the blood into the organs. Insufficient secretion of the adrenal cortex
causes such a disturbance and results in the increased flow of fluid into
the eye. Thus is near-sightedness caused."

Then what?

S*



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"Szczepan Bia³ek" <sz.bialek[at]wp.pl> wrote

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If Dr. Josephson could find myopia by examining every part of the body, he
hasn't passed on the skill to any doctors I know.

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Those with higher educations and higher IQs and higher incomes - those are
the myopes. I don't think they are malnourished.

I heard that rice causes myopia! Oh and Matzoh balls. Really. I saw it on
the internet!

-MT

"Mike Tyner" <mtyner[at]mindspring.com> wrote
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"Signs of this disturbance can be recognized in every part of the body by
the
skilled observer".

Observer should be "skilled" (by Dr Josephson).
But you should admit that bad nutrition may make progress in myopia.
S*