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Old 03-18-2009, 09:44 PM
Horus
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On Mar 18, 10:13*pm, "Mike Tyner" <mty...[at]mindspring.com> wrote:
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> "Horus" <horus...[at]hotmail.com> wrote
> > right and -8.0 diopter lens left that uses computer a lot. Does it
> > make sense to get a 65 (corrected for near) pair rather than
> > corrected for far (68) if my PD is 68?
> I'm pretty sure you couldn't tell the difference.

Couldn't tell the difference of what? Couldn't tell or feel the
difference of the covergence assistance?

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> Your glasses (pd 68) provide about 2.5 prism diopters of "assistance" when
> you converge to a PD of 65.
> Remaking them with a PD of 65 would eliminate that assistance and require
> you to converge _more._

But you said above I couldn't tell the difference. Or do you mean
other
thing beside convergence assitance, what is it that I couldn't tell
the difference?

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> > I don't understand. My PD is 68. If I get a pair with optical centers
> > of
> > 66. This means my eyes are looking thru the optical centers when
> > seeing near. Convergence will be normal. But if I use a pair with
> > optical centers same as my PD. There will be less convergence
> > demand due to the base-in as you stated. Isn't this the important
> > reason why glasses are corrected for distance (meaning the PD
> > matches the optical centers) in order to make you more relax
> > even if you will use the minus lens exclusively for near??
> I don't think it's done for that reason. If you're farsighted, the same
> conventions work _against_ you.
> > What I meant by distortion is not seeing directly at the optical
> > centers but sideways (or base in).
> Regardless of centration and prism, there is huge barrel distortion at -700
> or -800. Moving the OCs only moves the center of the "barrel" a little left
> or right. Doesn't reduce it at all.

My myopic power is -7.0D on right and -8.0D on left. Does the
inbalance power mean the convergence on each eye is different?
In such cases, what are usually done to the eyeglasses optical
centers? If my PD is 68. Should the glasses oc still be 68 or
should it be adjusted to compensate for mismatched power
of -7.0D and -8.0D?

You mentioned "Your glasses (pd 68) provide about 2.5 prism diopters
of "assistance" when you converge to a PD of 65".

How did you solve for the value of 2.5 prism diopters of "assistance".
How large should prism diopters be before one can significantly feel
the assistance?

If one's PD is 68 and one wants an extra pair for near view to
take advantage of the assistance. Does it make sense to make
the optical centers of the extra pair even wider than 68 to get
more base-in assistance or reduced convergence demand?
How wider (72? 75?) for optimum prism diopters/assistance
effect?

Many thanks,

Horus


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> -MT

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  #63  
Old 03-18-2009, 08:54 PM
Mike Ruskai
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Default Re: Corrected for Distance or Near?

On or about Wed, 18 Mar 2009 07:04:48 -0700 (PDT) did Horus
<horusocu[at]hotmail.com> dribble thusly:

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> On Mar 18, 9:48*pm, "Mike Tyner" <mty...[at]mindspring.com> wrote:
> > "Horus" <horus...[at]hotmail.com> wrote
> > > > In prescribing glasses for myopes. The prescription says corrected
> > > for distance and not near.
> > > I don't understand. Is there some checkbox, or other indication that your
> > glasses are not corrected for near?
> What I meant to say is this. My PD is 68. The glasses optical centers
> are also 68 (meaning corrected for distance although one can still
> focus near of course). Now corrected for near means the optical
> centers are 68-2=66 or 65. For Myopes with -7.0 diopter lens
> right and -8.0 diopter lens left that uses computer a lot. Does it
> make sense to get a 65 (corrected for near) pair rather than
> corrected for far (68) if my PD is 68?

Get contacts. Problem (however imaginary) solved.

--
- Mike

Ignore the Python in me to send e-mail.
  #62  
Old 03-18-2009, 02:13 PM
Mike Tyner
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Default Re: Corrected for Distance or Near?


"Horus" <horusocu[at]hotmail.com> wrote

- quote -

> right and -8.0 diopter lens left that uses computer a lot. Does it
> make sense to get a 65 (corrected for near) pair rather than
> corrected for far (68) if my PD is 68?

I'm pretty sure you couldn't tell the difference.

Your glasses (pd 68) provide about 2.5 prism diopters of "assistance" when
you converge to a PD of 65.

Remaking them with a PD of 65 would eliminate that assistance and require
you to converge _more._

- quote -

> I don't understand. My PD is 68. If I get a pair with optical centers
> of
> 66. This means my eyes are looking thru the optical centers when
> seeing near. Convergence will be normal. But if I use a pair with
> optical centers same as my PD. There will be less convergence
> demand due to the base-in as you stated. Isn't this the important
> reason why glasses are corrected for distance (meaning the PD
> matches the optical centers) in order to make you more relax
> even if you will use the minus lens exclusively for near??

I don't think it's done for that reason. If you're farsighted, the same
conventions work _against_ you.

- quote -

> What I meant by distortion is not seeing directly at the optical
> centers but sideways (or base in).

Regardless of centration and prism, there is huge barrel distortion at -700
or -800. Moving the OCs only moves the center of the "barrel" a little left
or right. Doesn't reduce it at all.

-MT


  #61  
Old 03-18-2009, 02:04 PM
Horus
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Default Re: Corrected for Distance or Near?

On Mar 18, 9:48*pm, "Mike Tyner" <mty...[at]mindspring.com> wrote:
- quote -

> "Horus" <horus...[at]hotmail.com> wrote
> > In prescribing glasses for myopes. The prescription says corrected
> > for distance and not near.
> I don't understand. Is there some checkbox, or other indication that your
> glasses are not corrected for near?

What I meant to say is this. My PD is 68. The glasses optical centers
are also 68 (meaning corrected for distance although one can still
focus near of course). Now corrected for near means the optical
centers are 68-2=66 or 65. For Myopes with -7.0 diopter lens
right and -8.0 diopter lens left that uses computer a lot. Does it
make sense to get a 65 (corrected for near) pair rather than
corrected for far (68) if my PD is 68?


- quote -

> > The reason being that when corrected
> > for distance, there is less convergence needed when viewing
> > near.
> I didn't know that. My prescriptions don't specify convergence.
> > Isn't there any side effect for getting less convergence
> > compared to natural.
> -7.00 glasses assist near convergence automatically. When the glasses are
> made for a 64 pupil distance and you converge, your actual pupil distance
> becomes 60 or 61 and there is a tiny amount of base-in prism induced by
> decentration.
> > Is the relaxation that one gets for reduce
> > convergence significant? It really gives you less strain?
> Not normally.
> If you have an insufficiency of convergence ability or some other binocular
> disorder, it could be "less straining." In normal, healthy eyes it would be
> difficult to tell any difference.
> > I'm
> > 29 years old and use computer 15 hours a day. I plan to get
> > a duplicate pair of glasses with same -7.0 diopters but corrected
> > for near to be free of glasses distortion
> I don't think you'll gain much from changing the pupil distance, if both
> pairs are -7.00.
> In most cases, "reducing strain" indicates reducing accommodation.
> Accommodating stimulates convergence and it will still continue to do so if
> you make new glasses.
> So you risk tipping over into convergence excess, rather than convergence
> insufficiency.

I don't understand. My PD is 68. If I get a pair with optical centers
of
66. This means my eyes are looking thru the optical centers when
seeing near. Convergence will be normal. But if I use a pair with
optical centers same as my PD. There will be less convergence
demand due to the base-in as you stated. Isn't this the important
reason why glasses are corrected for distance (meaning the PD
matches the optical centers) in order to make you more relax
even if you will use the minus lens exclusively for near??


- quote -

> > but I won't be able to get
> > the advantage of the glasses corrected for distance which is
> > reduced convergence.
> Reducing convergence will have no net effect on "distortion" in -7.00
> glasses.

What I meant by distortion is not seeing directly at the optical
centers but sideways (or base in).

- quote -

> > *What would you rather have, less
> > distortion (corrected at near) or reduced convergence
> > (corrected at distance) assuming you are a young myope?
> > Hope someone can clear this up.
> The problem is you're overthinking.
> -MT

Thanks,

-Horus
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Old 03-18-2009, 01:48 PM
Mike Tyner
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"Horus" <horusocu[at]hotmail.com> wrote

- quote -

> In prescribing glasses for myopes. The prescription says corrected
> for distance and not near.

I don't understand. Is there some checkbox, or other indication that your
glasses are not corrected for near?

- quote -

> The reason being that when corrected
> for distance, there is less convergence needed when viewing
> near.

I didn't know that. My prescriptions don't specify convergence.

- quote -

> Isn't there any side effect for getting less convergence
> compared to natural.

-7.00 glasses assist near convergence automatically. When the glasses are
made for a 64 pupil distance and you converge, your actual pupil distance
becomes 60 or 61 and there is a tiny amount of base-in prism induced by
decentration.

- quote -

> Is the relaxation that one gets for reduce
> convergence significant? It really gives you less strain?

Not normally.

If you have an insufficiency of convergence ability or some other binocular
disorder, it could be "less straining." In normal, healthy eyes it would be
difficult to tell any difference.

- quote -

> I'm
> 29 years old and use computer 15 hours a day. I plan to get
> a duplicate pair of glasses with same -7.0 diopters but corrected
> for near to be free of glasses distortion

I don't think you'll gain much from changing the pupil distance, if both
pairs are -7.00.

In most cases, "reducing strain" indicates reducing accommodation.
Accommodating stimulates convergence and it will still continue to do so if
you make new glasses.

So you risk tipping over into convergence excess, rather than convergence
insufficiency.

- quote -

> but I won't be able to get
> the advantage of the glasses corrected for distance which is
> reduced convergence.

Reducing convergence will have no net effect on "distortion" in -7.00
glasses.

- quote -

> What would you rather have, less
> distortion (corrected at near) or reduced convergence
> (corrected at distance) assuming you are a young myope?
> Hope someone can clear this up.

The problem is you're overthinking.

-MT


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Old 03-18-2009, 09:23 AM
Horus
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Default Corrected for Distance or Near?

Hi,

In prescribing glasses for myopes. The prescription says corrected
for distance and not near. The reason being that when corrected
for distance, there is less convergence needed when viewing
near. Isn't there any side effect for getting less convergence
compared to natural. Is the relaxation that one gets for reduce
convergence significant? It really gives you less strain? I'm
29 years old and use computer 15 hours a day. I plan to get
a duplicate pair of glasses with same -7.0 diopters but corrected
for near to be free of glasses distortion but I won't be able to get
the advantage of the glasses corrected for distance which is
reduced convergence. What would you rather have, less
distortion (corrected at near) or reduced convergence
(corrected at distance) assuming you are a young myope?
Hope someone can clear this up.

Thanks a lot,

Horus
 
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