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| On Mar 18, 10:13*pm, "Mike Tyner" <mty...[at]mindspring.com> wrote: - quote - > "Horus" <horus...[at]hotmail.com> wrote
Couldn't tell the difference of what? Couldn't tell or feel the> > right and -8.0 diopter lens left that uses computer a lot. Does it > > make sense to get a 65 (corrected for near) pair rather than > > corrected for far (68) if my PD is 68? > I'm pretty sure you couldn't tell the difference. difference of the covergence assistance? - quote - > Your glasses (pd 68) provide about 2.5 prism diopters of "assistance" when
But you said above I couldn't tell the difference. Or do you mean> you converge to a PD of 65. > Remaking them with a PD of 65 would eliminate that assistance and require > you to converge _more._ other thing beside convergence assitance, what is it that I couldn't tell the difference? - quote - > > I don't understand. My PD is 68. If I get a pair with optical centers
My myopic power is -7.0D on right and -8.0D on left. Does the> > of > > 66. This means my eyes are looking thru the optical centers when > > seeing near. Convergence will be normal. But if I use a pair with > > optical centers same as my PD. There will be less convergence > > demand due to the base-in as you stated. Isn't this the important > > reason why glasses are corrected for distance (meaning the PD > > matches the optical centers) in order to make you more relax > > even if you will use the minus lens exclusively for near?? > I don't think it's done for that reason. If you're farsighted, the same > conventions work _against_ you. > > What I meant by distortion is not seeing directly at the optical > > centers but sideways (or base in). > Regardless of centration and prism, there is huge barrel distortion at -700 > or -800. Moving the OCs only moves the center of the "barrel" a little left > or right. Doesn't reduce it at all. inbalance power mean the convergence on each eye is different? In such cases, what are usually done to the eyeglasses optical centers? If my PD is 68. Should the glasses oc still be 68 or should it be adjusted to compensate for mismatched power of -7.0D and -8.0D? You mentioned "Your glasses (pd 68) provide about 2.5 prism diopters of "assistance" when you converge to a PD of 65". How did you solve for the value of 2.5 prism diopters of "assistance". How large should prism diopters be before one can significantly feel the assistance? If one's PD is 68 and one wants an extra pair for near view to take advantage of the assistance. Does it make sense to make the optical centers of the extra pair even wider than 68 to get more base-in assistance or reduced convergence demand? How wider (72? 75?) for optimum prism diopters/assistance effect? Many thanks, Horus - quote - > -MT |
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| On or about Wed, 18 Mar 2009 07:04:48 -0700 (PDT) did Horus <horusocu[at]hotmail.com> dribble thusly: - quote - > On Mar 18, 9:48*pm, "Mike Tyner" <mty...[at]mindspring.com> wrote:
Get contacts. Problem (however imaginary) solved.> > "Horus" <horus...[at]hotmail.com> wrote > > > > In prescribing glasses for myopes. The prescription says corrected > > > for distance and not near. > > > I don't understand. Is there some checkbox, or other indication that your > > glasses are not corrected for near? > What I meant to say is this. My PD is 68. The glasses optical centers > are also 68 (meaning corrected for distance although one can still > focus near of course). Now corrected for near means the optical > centers are 68-2=66 or 65. For Myopes with -7.0 diopter lens > right and -8.0 diopter lens left that uses computer a lot. Does it > make sense to get a 65 (corrected for near) pair rather than > corrected for far (68) if my PD is 68? -- - Mike Ignore the Python in me to send e-mail. |
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| "Horus" <horusocu[at]hotmail.com> wrote - quote - > right and -8.0 diopter lens left that uses computer a lot. Does it
I'm pretty sure you couldn't tell the difference.> make sense to get a 65 (corrected for near) pair rather than > corrected for far (68) if my PD is 68? Your glasses (pd 68) provide about 2.5 prism diopters of "assistance" when you converge to a PD of 65. Remaking them with a PD of 65 would eliminate that assistance and require you to converge _more._ - quote - > I don't understand. My PD is 68. If I get a pair with optical centers
I don't think it's done for that reason. If you're farsighted, the same> of > 66. This means my eyes are looking thru the optical centers when > seeing near. Convergence will be normal. But if I use a pair with > optical centers same as my PD. There will be less convergence > demand due to the base-in as you stated. Isn't this the important > reason why glasses are corrected for distance (meaning the PD > matches the optical centers) in order to make you more relax > even if you will use the minus lens exclusively for near?? conventions work _against_ you. - quote - > What I meant by distortion is not seeing directly at the optical
Regardless of centration and prism, there is huge barrel distortion at -700> centers but sideways (or base in). or -800. Moving the OCs only moves the center of the "barrel" a little left or right. Doesn't reduce it at all. -MT |
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| On Mar 18, 9:48*pm, "Mike Tyner" <mty...[at]mindspring.com> wrote: - quote - > "Horus" <horus...[at]hotmail.com> wrote
What I meant to say is this. My PD is 68. The glasses optical centers> > In prescribing glasses for myopes. The prescription says corrected > > for distance and not near. > I don't understand. Is there some checkbox, or other indication that your > glasses are not corrected for near? are also 68 (meaning corrected for distance although one can still focus near of course). Now corrected for near means the optical centers are 68-2=66 or 65. For Myopes with -7.0 diopter lens right and -8.0 diopter lens left that uses computer a lot. Does it make sense to get a 65 (corrected for near) pair rather than corrected for far (68) if my PD is 68? - quote - > > The reason being that when corrected
I don't understand. My PD is 68. If I get a pair with optical centers> > for distance, there is less convergence needed when viewing > > near. > I didn't know that. My prescriptions don't specify convergence. > > Isn't there any side effect for getting less convergence > > compared to natural. > -7.00 glasses assist near convergence automatically. When the glasses are > made for a 64 pupil distance and you converge, your actual pupil distance > becomes 60 or 61 and there is a tiny amount of base-in prism induced by > decentration. > > Is the relaxation that one gets for reduce > > convergence significant? It really gives you less strain? > Not normally. > If you have an insufficiency of convergence ability or some other binocular > disorder, it could be "less straining." In normal, healthy eyes it would be > difficult to tell any difference. > > I'm > > 29 years old and use computer 15 hours a day. I plan to get > > a duplicate pair of glasses with same -7.0 diopters but corrected > > for near to be free of glasses distortion > I don't think you'll gain much from changing the pupil distance, if both > pairs are -7.00. > In most cases, "reducing strain" indicates reducing accommodation. > Accommodating stimulates convergence and it will still continue to do so if > you make new glasses. > So you risk tipping over into convergence excess, rather than convergence > insufficiency. of 66. This means my eyes are looking thru the optical centers when seeing near. Convergence will be normal. But if I use a pair with optical centers same as my PD. There will be less convergence demand due to the base-in as you stated. Isn't this the important reason why glasses are corrected for distance (meaning the PD matches the optical centers) in order to make you more relax even if you will use the minus lens exclusively for near?? - quote - > > but I won't be able to get
What I meant by distortion is not seeing directly at the optical> > the advantage of the glasses corrected for distance which is > > reduced convergence. > Reducing convergence will have no net effect on "distortion" in -7.00 > glasses. centers but sideways (or base in). - quote - > > *What would you rather have, less
Thanks,> > distortion (corrected at near) or reduced convergence > > (corrected at distance) assuming you are a young myope? > > Hope someone can clear this up. > The problem is you're overthinking. > -MT -Horus |
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| "Horus" <horusocu[at]hotmail.com> wrote - quote - > In prescribing glasses for myopes. The prescription says corrected
I don't understand. Is there some checkbox, or other indication that your> for distance and not near. glasses are not corrected for near? - quote - > The reason being that when corrected
I didn't know that. My prescriptions don't specify convergence.> for distance, there is less convergence needed when viewing > near. - quote - > Isn't there any side effect for getting less convergence
-7.00 glasses assist near convergence automatically. When the glasses are> compared to natural. made for a 64 pupil distance and you converge, your actual pupil distance becomes 60 or 61 and there is a tiny amount of base-in prism induced by decentration. - quote - > Is the relaxation that one gets for reduce
Not normally.> convergence significant? It really gives you less strain? If you have an insufficiency of convergence ability or some other binocular disorder, it could be "less straining." In normal, healthy eyes it would be difficult to tell any difference. - quote - > I'm
I don't think you'll gain much from changing the pupil distance, if both> 29 years old and use computer 15 hours a day. I plan to get > a duplicate pair of glasses with same -7.0 diopters but corrected > for near to be free of glasses distortion pairs are -7.00. In most cases, "reducing strain" indicates reducing accommodation. Accommodating stimulates convergence and it will still continue to do so if you make new glasses. So you risk tipping over into convergence excess, rather than convergence insufficiency. - quote - > but I won't be able to get
Reducing convergence will have no net effect on "distortion" in -7.00> the advantage of the glasses corrected for distance which is > reduced convergence. glasses. - quote - > What would you rather have, less
The problem is you're overthinking.> distortion (corrected at near) or reduced convergence > (corrected at distance) assuming you are a young myope? > Hope someone can clear this up. -MT |
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| Hi, In prescribing glasses for myopes. The prescription says corrected for distance and not near. The reason being that when corrected for distance, there is less convergence needed when viewing near. Isn't there any side effect for getting less convergence compared to natural. Is the relaxation that one gets for reduce convergence significant? It really gives you less strain? I'm 29 years old and use computer 15 hours a day. I plan to get a duplicate pair of glasses with same -7.0 diopters but corrected for near to be free of glasses distortion but I won't be able to get the advantage of the glasses corrected for distance which is reduced convergence. What would you rather have, less distortion (corrected at near) or reduced convergence (corrected at distance) assuming you are a young myope? Hope someone can clear this up. Thanks a lot, Horus |
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